September 17, 2012
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:16:26 -0700
Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:

> On Monday, September 17, 2012 09:05:48 David Nadlinger wrote:
> > On Sunday, 16 September 2012 at 21:59:30 UTC, Jøn wrote:
> > > The best idea I had today: rename D into :D
> > > 
> > > * Easier to google
> > 
> > You might be surprised to see that D is the number 1 result for ":D" even today.
> 
> The search results seem to be identical whether you search for D or :D, so the colon seems to be ignored.
> 

Yea, google pathologically ignores anything that isn't strictly alphanumeric, even when you enclose in quotes. Fucking annoying as hell. Especially when you're trying to find something about C++ and the damn thing comes back with a bunch of C# results. That's a real obnoxious trend in computing: Software doing whatever the hell it feels like (usually under the guise of "being helpful") instead of doing what it's fucking told.

September 17, 2012
On 9/16/12 3:00 PM, "Jøn" wrote:
>
> The best idea I had today: rename D into :D

You asked for it: a mockup.


September 17, 2012
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 03:57:41PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:16:26 -0700
> Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
[...]
> > The search results seem to be identical whether you search for D or :D, so the colon seems to be ignored.
> > 
> 
> Yea, google pathologically ignores anything that isn't strictly alphanumeric, even when you enclose in quotes. Fucking annoying as hell. Especially when you're trying to find something about C++ and the damn thing comes back with a bunch of C# results. That's a real obnoxious trend in computing: Software doing whatever the hell it feels like (usually under the guise of "being helpful") instead of doing what it's fucking told.
[...]

Any time you hear "smart" and "software" in the same sentence, be prepared for something dumb.


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The best way to destroy a cause is to defend it poorly.
September 17, 2012
On 9/17/2012 1:10 PM, David Gileadi wrote:
> On 9/16/12 3:00 PM, "Jøn" wrote:
>>
>> The best idea I had today: rename D into :D
>
> You asked for it: a mockup.

<g>

September 17, 2012
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:18:51 -0700
"H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 03:57:41PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:16:26 -0700
> > Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > The search results seem to be identical whether you search for D or :D, so the colon seems to be ignored.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yea, google pathologically ignores anything that isn't strictly alphanumeric, even when you enclose in quotes. Fucking annoying as hell. Especially when you're trying to find something about C++ and the damn thing comes back with a bunch of C# results. That's a real obnoxious trend in computing: Software doing whatever the hell it feels like (usually under the guise of "being helpful") instead of doing what it's fucking told.
> [...]
> 
> Any time you hear "smart" and "software" in the same sentence, be prepared for something dumb.
> 

Heh, I actually say pretty much the same thing myself very often. Couldn't agree more. If you were around me in person, you'd frequently hear "I hate when (devices|programs) try to be smart."  Smart(.*) is a red flag for "badly designed" or "unreliable".

That's actually been an even bigger thing with me lately than ever
before since, because of work, I have a call phone for the first time
now - two actually, an iPhone and an Android - and I absolutely *HATE*
both the damn things (with the iPhone being slightly worse).
*Everything* about them is just wrong, backwards, idiotic. They
even managed to take something as trivial to get right as volume
controls and *completely* fuck it up in every imaginable way. And of
course, Android aped Apple's idiotic lead on that, as usual.

Damn I miss pay phones: I spent less than $5/year on those. Try finding a cell plan that even remotely compares to that. Or one with buttons that are actually usable. Or any fucking buttons at all, for that matter. Meh, now I'm *really* rambling though... ;)

September 17, 2012
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:10:59 -0700
David Gileadi <gileadis@NSPMgmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/16/12 3:00 PM, "Jøn" wrote:
> >
> > The best idea I had today: rename D into :D
> 
> You asked for it: a mockup.
> 

You know, make one of them look like Phobos, and the other Deimos, and you may be onto something...

September 17, 2012
On 9/17/2012 3:09 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> You know, make one of them look like Phobos, and the other Deimos, and
> you may be onto something...


The trouble with cute logos is like hearing the same joke over and over.

I'm happy with our current logo. It's simple and elegant.

September 17, 2012
On 09/17/2012 03:08 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:18:51 -0700
> "H. S. Teoh"<hsteoh@quickfur.ath.cx>  wrote:

>> Any time you hear "smart" and "software" in the same sentence, be
>> prepared for something dumb.
>>
>
> Heh, I actually say pretty much the same thing myself very often.
> Couldn't agree more. If you were around me in person, you'd frequently
> hear "I hate when (devices|programs) try to be smart."  Smart(.*) is
> a red flag for "badly designed" or "unreliable".
>
> That's actually been an even bigger thing with me lately than ever
> before since, because of work, I have a call phone for the first time
> now - two actually, an iPhone and an Android - and I absolutely *HATE*
> both the damn things (with the iPhone being slightly worse).
> *Everything* about them is just wrong, backwards, idiotic. They
> even managed to take something as trivial to get right as volume
> controls and *completely* fuck it up in every imaginable way. And of
> course, Android aped Apple's idiotic lead on that, as usual.

I have to jump in on this discussion: Those have been exactly my feelings since I've gotten my "smart" phone about two years ago. I cannot believe the lack of usability! :) I have an Android but of course I have played with iPhones as well. Let me tell you: the emperor has no clothes! :)

They have imagined a "phone", where being able to answer the call is completely by luck if the phone has been in your pocket when the call arrived! Chances are, you will touch something on the "smart" screen and reject the call by some random reason like "I am in class." (No, I am not a student or a teacher at this time; but that exact scenario happened to me multiple times.)

Imagine a device where the *entire* screen is touchable with different areas meaning different things depending on context! The users can only cradle it gently but they can't hold it firmly! Wow! I can't believe how this whole idea took off. Later generations will have a good laugh at these devices.

Thanks for letting me vent. :)

Next time I will talk about CalTrain's immature attempts at adopting the Clipper card stupidity and their apparent and obviously obvious :p failure in doing so. Unbelievable amount of technology, expense, labor, customer inconvenience, citations, etc. just to obviate a system that has been working flawlessly for centuries: A paper ticket. Technology should solve a problem; it should not be forced on people. Ok, apparently that one is out too... :)

Getting back on topic, yes, I like :D

Ali

September 17, 2012
On 09/17/2012 10:10 PM, David Gileadi wrote:
> On 9/16/12 3:00 PM, "Jøn" wrote:
>>
>> The best idea I had today: rename D into :D
>
> You asked for it: a mockup.

Nicely done. I prefer that one to the one we have.
September 17, 2012
On Monday, 17 September 2012 at 07:16:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 09:05:48 David Nadlinger wrote:
>> On Sunday, 16 September 2012 at 21:59:30 UTC, Jøn wrote:
>> > The best idea I had today: rename D into :D
>> > 
>> > * Easier to google
>> 
>> You might be surprised to see that D is the number 1 result for
>> ":D" even today.
>
> The search results seem to be identical whether you search for D or :D, so the
> colon seems to be ignored. Of course, the fact that dlang.org comes up first
> could just be because google taylors its results to you, and we're both people
> who deal with D (and presumably search for it from time to time) already.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

It's the second result on DuckDuckGo, which *doesn't* tailor it's search results.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=d