January 04, 2013
On 01/05/2013 12:24 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 2:09 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> What's their purpose? I can understand automatically generating the
>> list and
>> putting it in changelog.dd or putting some sort of javascript or
>> whatnot in
>> there to generate the list when the page is loaded, but if you're just
>> putting
>> a link to bugzilla to give the list, why list the bugs in a comment which
>> doesn't show up on the webpage at all?
>
> I had already made that list, and if the new links didn't work out I could quickly revert to it.
>

Hi,

I was wondering if it is possible to integrate some javascript in the changelog page to automatically generate the list of fixed issues as suggested by Jonathan (As an example, please see the attached file: jq.html).

regards,
r_m_r


January 04, 2013
On 13-01-04 2:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 8:59 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
>> Don't you think a process that requires reviewing these titles
>> *before* the
>> actual software release announcement posting would help?
>
> Of course it would. Do you wish to help? All help is welcome.
>
I was thinking about that too.  I just don't know where to start.  I guess I would have to read the developers guidelines and find out about the documentation markup.  What should I read first?

/Pierre
January 04, 2013
On 1/4/2013 12:23 PM, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
> On 13-01-04 2:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 1/4/2013 8:59 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
>>> Don't you think a process that requires reviewing these titles
>>> *before* the
>>> actual software release announcement posting would help?
>>
>> Of course it would. Do you wish to help? All help is welcome.
>>
> I was thinking about that too.  I just don't know where to start.  I guess I
> would have to read the developers guidelines and find out about the
> documentation markup.  What should I read first?

Probably the easiest thing to start with is simply review the titles of bugzilla issues appearing in the new/changed list. You can edit them as required.

January 04, 2013
On 1/3/2013 10:44 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> P.S. Also, as a future improvement, we _really_ shouldn't be linking to
> bugzilla for our list. I've never seen a release notes document or changelog
> do that in my entire life. It would be _far_ more user friendly to list the
> changes like we did before with the bug number for each entry linking to the
> bug report (and it's what most projects to do from what I've seen).

What we used to do was, literally (and I mean literally) copy/paste the bugzilla entry title and stick it in the changelog.

It's THE SAME LIST as in the bugzilla list. It's even in the same order. It's just that the bugzilla generated list is complete.

I don't understand your rationale that it's _far_ more user friendly. It's the exact same list, in the exact same order, with the exact same text.
January 04, 2013
On Thursday, 3 January 2013 at 15:54:03 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> I don't know, there are many users out there who rather like Unity too...

Seeing as linux mint has such a big following these days, Cinnamon is quite a big contender.

I don't use mint any more, but cinnamon works great on a variety of other distros.
January 04, 2013
Al 03/01/13 17:01, En/na Iain Buclaw ha escrit:
> On 3 January 2013 15:40, Jordi Sayol <g.sayol@yahoo.es <mailto:g.sayol@yahoo.es>> wrote:
> 
>     Until today, I've not found yet a "perfect" Linux release.
> 
> 
> What "perfect" Linux release did you find today? :o)
> 

Sorry, my English is very bad. I wanted to say that I didn't find yet.

-- 
Jordi Sayol
January 05, 2013
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:09:24 +0000
Russel Winder <russel@winder.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 14:17 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: […]
> > Whoa. Four instances "I run my own SMTP and IMAP server" in about as many paragraphs. You must feel quite strongly about that...
> 
> :-)
> 
> Originally I was doing it to make sure I could sys admin Apache/Postfix/Dovecot (previously Courier IMAP) then I realized it was so straightforward there was little point in using a hosting agent.

Sounds like you must be very good at Linux. I would never have been able to do it without this guide:

http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze

I found that to be more contrived, obscure, and needlessly
over-complicated than anything else I've ever had to set up on (or off) a computer.

The result is worth it, of course, but geez, what a bunch of pointless hoops. No reason I shouldn't have been able to just do something like:

$ sudo apt-get install sane-email-server

Then maybe answer a few simple questions, and be done with it.


> I had a system crash whilst away a couple of years ago and
> had to use GMail for a few days. It became apparent that whatever the
> terms of service say, Google were scanning all emails and using the
> data to create an advertising profile which was clearly then used to
> generate income for Google. Clearly this is the quid pro quo for
> getting free email, but I don't like the price. Worse I used to have
> one identity with Google Accounts, but having created a Google Mail
> account, Google switched the primary key to the Google Mail
> identifier and will not allow that to be changed.  Facebook tried the
> same trick. This is really annoying and lowers the value of the
> brands for me. Result, I have my server hardware here and run all the
> services myself locally.
> 

Yea. Google's "Don't be evil" is a complete load of self-rationalizing bullshit. I mean, christ, their whole business is based on mining/selling personal information, and then they twist and contort the web technologies themselves into whatever they see fit (people bitch when *Microsoft* tries to do it, but when Big Brother does it it's apparently ok), and then they have the audacity to pretend their mantra is "Don't be evil." I hate Microsoft as much as anyone, but I'd sell my soul to MS if it got rid of companies like Google and Apple.

January 05, 2013
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:20:19 -0500
Matthew Caron <matt.caron@redlion.net> wrote:

> On 01/02/2013 04:18 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> >> Why would you need to? If your mail store is IMAP, just let it rebuild.
> >
> > I don't store email on the server, I store it locally.
> 
> I gave that up years ago when I ended up with more than one device. Too much "did I get that email on my laptop or my desktop?" And now with tablet, phone, laptop, desktop, and several kiosk machines around the house (because how else do you watch Firefly whilst loading custom hunting ammunition in the gun room?) and then the device proliferation continues...
> 

Turn off "Delete email from server ten seconds after downloading it". Either increase it to a sane time period, or disable delete-from-server entirely. Problem solved. Worked fine for me.

Accessing *sent* messages can be a different story though, but using your email client's setting for "BCC outgoing messages to..." to send to a special "messages I sent" address works well enough. Unless you need to use some shitty Fisher-Price email client like the one in iOS, because then you're just fucked. (But if you need to rely on iOS, you'll probably have bigger problems anyway.)


> >> scp -rp ~/.thunderbird <target machine>
> >>
> >> will shove your whole TB directory to the new box.
> >
> > Doesn't work on Windows.
> 
> Why not? The directory may be different, but the philosophy should still hold. Just install ssh/sshd from cygwin and you're set.
> 
> (The cheekier response is "stop using toy OS's".

A few years ago I'd have disagreed, but after Vista, and then Win 7,
and now Win 8 (ie three steaming turds in a row), I have to agree with
you. I mostly liked XP, but I've been using Win7 for close to a
year now and I'm just itching to be rid of this goddamn MS OSX. (And
after having actually tried Win8, I have to say I could have easily
mistaken it for a bad prank if I hadn't already known about it.)

> Windows is only
> suitable for playing video games, and I'm looking forward to Steam's
> release for Linux such that I can power on the Wintendo less and
> less.

Steam on Linux? That's like installing hydraulics on a Formula 1 or a rusty nail in a jock strap. Nothing that involves "Steam" is suitable for playing videogames, whether Win/Lin or anything else.

I'd be willing to *release* a game, *non-exclusively*, on steam just
for the visibility and for the subset of PC gamers that are
unfortunately dumb enough to think steam isn't DRM, but that's all
steam is good for. Gabe can suck the shit out of my ass for destroying
the last non-orwellian gaming platform in existence and
essentially turning it into a goddamn iPhone.

January 05, 2013
On 13-01-04 3:55 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 12:23 PM, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
>> On 13-01-04 2:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2013 8:59 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
>>>> Don't you think a process that requires reviewing these titles
>>>> *before* the
>>>> actual software release announcement posting would help?
>>>
>>> Of course it would. Do you wish to help? All help is welcome.
>>>
>> I was thinking about that too.  I just don't know where to start.  I
>> guess I
>> would have to read the developers guidelines and find out about the
>> documentation markup.  What should I read first?
>
> Probably the easiest thing to start with is simply review the titles of
> bugzilla issues appearing in the new/changed list. You can edit them as
> required.
>
OK, I'll start going through the list of D2.062 and then D 2.061.  I'll take me time as I have to learn quite a bit, but you're right, and I would probably have proposed the same thing have I been in your shoes. Point taken and thanks!

I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features.  What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none?

/Pierre
January 05, 2013
On Saturday, 5 January 2013 at 09:30:41 UTC, Pierre Rouleau wrote:
> I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features.  What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none?

D 2.062 does not even exist yet, the current development version of changelog.dd just made it to http://dlang.org/changelog.html by accident.

Davi