It is strange that cool programmers like you
are using Outlook Express 6. :)

"Denis Troshin" <weiv@mail.ru> wrote in message news:opr09jqafuan535p@pop.mail.ru...
> It is strange that cool programmers like you
> are using Outlook Express 6. :)
>

HNY to all..

Ya, just because it works!!
Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.

Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me. It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.

And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
occurs with Netscape and Opera.
Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
(Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
that hides the news server problem?)

BTW, I could also locate in my daily library sources a 'c' routine from
1987, a 'c++' class from 1991 (several from 1993) - what to do with the
'old' stuff if it continues to be useful?
- Rajiv

Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:

> Ya, just because it works!!

<g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)

> Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
> holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
> them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.

Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I kept around in this folder...

> Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
> projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to
> feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff
> is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
> half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me.
> It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.

No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org
It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in /Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the .exe.

The next thing you do when you are using outlook:
- Start Mozilla Thunderbird
- Tools -> Import -> Settings.
- Tools -> Import -> Address Books
- Tools -> Import -> Mail
You should not even have to search for places where the data is!

Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... ;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much response from people even trying something different...

> And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
> occurs with Netscape and Opera.

Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is what I know so far.

> Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
> (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
> that hides the news server problem?)

Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know...

Any INN expert help is welcome.

Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states.

Jan

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper

Jan Knepper wrote:
> Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
> 
>> Ya, just because it works!!
> 
> 
> <g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)
> 
>> Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
>> holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
>> them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.
> 
> 
> Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I kept around in this folder...
> 
>> Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
>> projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to
>> feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff
>> is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
>> half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me.
>> It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.
> 
> 
> No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org
> It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in /Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the .exe.
> 
> The next thing you do when you are using outlook:
> - Start Mozilla Thunderbird
> - Tools -> Import -> Settings.
> - Tools -> Import -> Address Books
> - Tools -> Import -> Mail
> You should not even have to search for places where the data is!
> 
> Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... ;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much response from people even trying something different...
> 
>> And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
>> occurs with Netscape and Opera.
> 
> 
> Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is what I know so far.
> 
>> Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
>> (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
>> that hides the news server problem?)
> 
> 
> Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know...
> 
> Any INN expert help is welcome.
> 
> Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states.
> 
> Jan
> 
Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from Thunderbird..
For other interested people:
http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird

- Rajiv

Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
> Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from Thunderbird..
> For other interested people:
> http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird

Oh, you are more than welcome!
I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not?

Thanks for the link! This is great!

Jan


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper

Jan Knepper wrote:
> Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from Thunderbird..
>> For other interested people:
>> http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird
> 
> 
> Oh, you are more than welcome!
> I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not?
> 
> Thanks for the link! This is great!
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
Yes, all the news articles came in without a problem. Currently, all of them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'.

While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so I  don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check showed  that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding for mail switchover. Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore a solution for that too..

Will explore further today.

- Rajiv

Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
> Yes, all the news articles came in without a problem. Currently, all of them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'.

There was a one-key shortcut for that. Here it is Ctrl+Shift+C

> While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so I  don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check showed  that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding for mail switchover.

This should not happen. Perhaps there is some other problem which hinders it. I had a problem with "/" in a mailbox name. It may also be that the heavyweight Mozilla 1.5 has a few bugs less?

> Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore a solution for that too..

hmmmm... The mozilla mailers are not very offline-friendy. I think this is worth another project. "Offline Mozilla" or something alike. Add deferred send, and dial-exchange-handgup sequence for those without DSL at home. Not that i would like to do it. ;) I got used to being online.

-eye