Walter escreveu:
> "Cesar Rabak" <csrabak@ig.com.br> wrote in message
> news:3FE499C2.7050906@ig.com.br...
>
>> I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous
>> plane that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . .
>>
>>
>> [1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!
>
>
>
> The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.
>

Yes! And it was funny how many students kept checking calculations
because the computed latitude was so narrow ;-)

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>
>The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.
>

Speaking of Lockheed-Martin (a little off topic, sorry):

Walter, you used to work for Boeing, right?  Did you watch the documentary recently on the JSF VTOL or STOVL-capable aircraft competition between Boeing and Lockheed-Martin.  It was a fascinating coverage of two design teams competing to make the next fighter for Air Force/Navy.  Boeing lost unfortunately, but I loved their plane, the weird looking X-32.  It was sad that they lost.

The Boeing X-32:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/aerospace21/jsf/x-32.html

The Lockheed X-35:

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2001/articles/arp_01/xplanes/xplane_x35.html

Later,

John

"John Reimer" <John_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:bsiijm$lsh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Walter, you used to work for Boeing, right?  Did you watch the documentary recently on the JSF VTOL or STOVL-capable aircraft competition between
Boeing
> and Lockheed-Martin.  It was a fascinating coverage of two design teams competing to make the next fighter for Air Force/Navy.  Boeing lost unfortunately, but I loved their plane, the weird looking X-32.  It was
sad that
> they lost.

I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.

>I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.
>
>

No, no... that can't be true because the US government chose the other one ;-D.

"John Reimer" <John_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:bsleoe$2cv2$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.
> No, no... that can't be true because the US government chose the other one
;-D.

Political considerations trump practical ones <g>.

Walter a écrit :
> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a
> fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment.
> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
> flying machine.
> 
> 
Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890 .. see
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html
:-)
Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-)

roland

Cesar Rabak a écrit :
> For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!

yes it did. a french university did it.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a link on the web but I've seen it at the TV.

roland

"roland" <--nancyetroland@free.fr> wrote in message news:bti4v8$7ki$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Walter a écrit :
> > I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had
a
> > fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their
accomplishment.
> > Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.
> >
> >
> Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890
> .. see
> http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html
> :-)
> Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-)

I'm not convinced that Ader flew. In fact, I'm extremely skeptical <g>.

Walter a écrit :
> "roland" <--nancyetroland@free.fr> wrote in message
> news:bti4v8$7ki$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>Walter a écrit :
>>
>>>I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had
> 
> a
> 
>>>fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their
> 
> accomplishment.
> 
>>>Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
>>>flying machine.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890
>>.. see
>>http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html
>>:-)
>>Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-)
> 
> 
> I'm not convinced that Ader flew. In fact, I'm extremely skeptical <g>.
> 
> 
Ok I should have posted on the other thread. I've didn't see it before posting.
So you knew Adler ? I thought the french were the only one to know him.
The funny thing is that all french childrens are taught at school that the first flight was Adler one. Here there is streets, schools or university with his name. There should be some evidences it really flew. He didn't pretend it was a big success, only 20 cm altitude. But well it doen't really mater: the truth is that even if it really flew, that was a technical dead end.

roland

"roland" <--nancyetroland@free.fr> wrote in message news:btneo3$28ia$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Ok I should have posted on the other thread. I've didn't see it before
> posting.
> So you knew Adler ?

I'm not that old <g>. But I find the Wrights fascinating, and have read a lot about them and some of the other claims.

> I thought the french were the only one to know him.
> The funny thing is that all french childrens are taught at school that
> the first flight was Adler one. Here there is streets, schools or
> university with his name. There should be some evidences it really flew.
> He didn't pretend it was a big success, only 20 cm altitude. But well it
> doen't really mater: the truth is that even if it really flew, that was
> a technical dead end.

Yup.