An article about how outsourcing reduces the need for Norwegian developers. No links to D other than the image on top though. I wonder what they searched for to find this image.

http://www.digi.no/artikler/rader-norske-it-folk-til-a-droppe-programmering/279380

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 18:50:58 UTC, simendsjo wrote:
> An article about how outsourcing reduces the need for Norwegian developers. No links to D other than the image on top though. I wonder what they searched for to find this image.
>
> http://www.digi.no/artikler/rader-norske-it-folk-til-a-droppe-programmering/279380

Well, it seems that outsourcing to India is over. Now it's outsourcing to Eastern Europe. 2/3 of the developers in my company reside in a country in Eastern Europe. In my previous country that ratio was even higher. The CTO wasted a lot of money (because not talking to his people who would have told him) and then had to look for ways to compensate for the losses.

I once followed a phone conversation between a C++ developer in India and C++ developers in Germany. The developer in India thought those in Germany were stupid and not getting it while the developers in Germany tried to explain to him that they were not stupid, but that he was missing some detail. Seems to me that outsourcing development in a very difficult language such as C++ does not work. But as what "simpler" languages are concerned such as Java or C# it is currently happening at full high.

The dream about systems programming is starting to fade away. There are only very few jobs for it. And the dream about application development is fading away, too. But illusions are here to stay ;-).

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 07:09:24 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
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> Well, it seems that outsourcing to India is over. Now it's outsourcing to Eastern Europe. 2/3 of the developers in my company reside in a country in Eastern Europe. In my previous country that ratio was even higher. The CTO wasted a lot of money (because not talking to his people who would have told him) and then had to look for ways to compensate for the losses.
>
> I once followed a phone conversation between a C++ developer in India and C++ developers in Germany. The developer in India thought those in Germany were stupid and not getting it while the developers in Germany tried to explain to him that they were not stupid, but that he was missing some detail. Seems to me that outsourcing development in a very difficult language such as C++ does not work. But as what "simpler" languages are concerned such as Java or C# it is currently happening at full high.

So they're still holding on to this "new" strategy that has failed over and over again. It failed in the 80ies when my old man was in IT, it failed in the 90ies and it is failing again. The bosses' dream of "24 hour coding" is not working. Apart from communication problems, e.g. simple things like the language barrier (accents of English), expensive errors have been introduced due to the time gap, i.e. team A arrives at work in the morning and finds that some things have been changed that should never have been changed, and now the program doesn't compile anymore (there are myriads of stories like that).

One of the most expensive (offshore) outsourcing "success stories" I've heard of is the one by Ulster Bank (rumors have it that it was an infinite loop in the update that was never tested before being applied):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_RBS_Group_computer_system_problems

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business/ulster-bank-receives-275m-fine-for-it-failure-3585612/

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214081/Why-IT-outsourcing-is-increasingly-fingered-for-IT-failures-at-banks

But go ahead CEOs, yeah!

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 18:50:58 UTC, simendsjo wrote:
> An article about how outsourcing reduces the need for Norwegian developers. No links to D other than the image on top though. I wonder what they searched for to find this image.
>
> http://www.digi.no/artikler/rader-norske-it-folk-til-a-droppe-programmering/279380

I assume Norwegian jobs are taken away by these annoying Romanians :)

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 18:45:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 18:50:58 UTC, simendsjo wrote:
>> An article about how outsourcing reduces the need for Norwegian developers. No links to D other than the image on top though. I wonder what they searched for to find this image.
>>
>> http://www.digi.no/artikler/rader-norske-it-folk-til-a-droppe-programmering/279380
>
> I assume Norwegian jobs are taken away by these annoying Romanians :)

Shots fired!

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 18:45:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 18:50:58 UTC, simendsjo wrote:
>> An article about how outsourcing reduces the need for Norwegian developers. No links to D other than the image on top though. I wonder what they searched for to find this image.
>>
>> http://www.digi.no/artikler/rader-norske-it-folk-til-a-droppe-programmering/279380
>
> I assume Norwegian jobs are taken away by these annoying Romanians :)

I met many of them and they were all nice. But lots of Java development work is going there and to other countries in Eastern Europe. These guys are just as smart and it doesn't take a PhD in rocket science for application development anyway...