On Tuesday, 1 September 2015 at 20:35:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 September 2015 at 20:14:03 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
>> I am not a fan of "political correctness", and maybe I am being over -sensitive for various reasons, but I think we should choose our comedy lines very carefully.
>
> I guess that rules out all D-cup jokes...

... and with that fantastically witty comment I guess many potential female D developers have ruled themselves out...

Great.

A.

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 01:09:41 UTC, Andy Smith wrote:
> ... and with that fantastically witty comment I guess many potential female D developers have ruled themselves out...

"Women love D".

There. Now they feel included.

On Monday, 31 August 2015 at 07:57:46 UTC, wobbles wrote:
> that lets you choose exactly what to pay for.

This would be false advertising at this point.

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 01:09:41 UTC, Andy Smith wrote:
> ... and with that fantastically witty comment I guess many potential female D developers have ruled themselves out...

(I hate myself when I bite trolling, but in case you are serious; be careful with that patronizing attitude around norwegian women, not all of them take kindly to men who suggest that they are incapable of distinguishing between a sexist comment and a self-deprecating comment making fun of male culture, or that they are incapable of taking a joke...

There is a fine line between being chivalrous and suggesting that women aren't capable of standing up for themselves. Just saying. It can backfire...)

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 10:42:05 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 01:09:41 UTC, Andy Smith wrote:
>> ... and with that fantastically witty comment I guess many potential female D developers have ruled themselves out...
>
> (I hate myself when I bite trolling, but in case you are serious; be careful with that patronizing attitude around norwegian women, not all of them take kindly to men who suggest that they are incapable of distinguishing between a sexist comment and a self-deprecating comment making fun of male culture, or that they are incapable of taking a joke...
>
> There is a fine line between being chivalrous and suggesting that women aren't capable of standing up for themselves. Just saying. It can backfire...)

Hi Ola,

I wasn't in the greatest of moods when I wrote that comment so I'm sorry for the tone of that comment. Looking back a few weeks later I can see it wasn't a particularly constructive comment so I apologize! I like to think of myself as being a wee bit classier than that which is probably why I've taken a while to respond.

Just to clarify, I honestly wasn't trolling. Chivalry is not really on my radar either way, and being from the North East coast of Scotland I've learned not to mess with your fellow Norwegians (of either gender :-) )

*However* at the risk of sounding like a complete 'PC' prude. I feel (very respectfully!) that comments such as the 'D-cup' one should be left out of the public D fora. I'm currently not in Norway (nor Scotland) but working for a U.S. based firm, where the humour certainly doesn't translate that well.

Cheers,

A.

On Thursday, 17 September 2015 at 23:39:50 UTC, Andy Smith wrote:
> weeks later I can see it wasn't a particularly constructive comment so I apologize! I like to think of myself as being a wee bit classier than that which is probably why I've taken a while to respond.

No need to apologize. The british class system was the point of my comment. Russel said he was "liberal". When a british person says he is "liberal" it tells me nothing, except it most certainly isn't "scandinavian liberal". I'd have to figure out what parts of the british class system he associates himself with to give it some kind of meaning. British humour seems to go all the way from rough working class humor to Alan Carr/Russel Brand to stiff upper lip humor. What kind of humor is acceptable in "liberal" Britain? Is there a norm?

> Just to clarify, I honestly wasn't trolling. Chivalry is not really on my radar either way, and being from the North East coast of Scotland I've learned not to mess with your fellow Norwegians (of either gender :-) )

Neh, I think most like some chivalry, but then there are the ones that think your are hitting on them or that will get annoyed if you open the door for them. I've noticed it helps with grey beard... "clueless sweet old man that tries to be helpful" seems to work out.

> *However* at the risk of sounding like a complete 'PC' prude. I feel (very respectfully!) that comments such as the 'D-cup' one should be left out of the public D fora. I'm currently not in Norway (nor Scotland) but working for a U.S. based firm, where the humour certainly doesn't translate that well.

I am very much opposed to the banning of words. It makes for a very shallow understanding of what is discriminating and not. It just moves the negatives to a level where you cannot address it.

If one cannot point out that one shouldn't make a particular type of joke, because the mere acknowledgment that such jokes exists is problematic then it goes too far IMO.

What annoyed me was that you implied that I enjoy D-cup jokes or thought we should be making them. I don't. For those to be funny you have to view breasts as taboo or think that big breasts deserve some kind of special status or make women more appealing. I don't. But I've noticed that they tend to come up regularly in nerdy english-speaking forums, so I simply wondered what it actually means to be "liberal" when it comes to humour. Apparently bras are too much to be "english liberal", whatever that means...