The Focus of D (page 2)

Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: > d is distance, discriminant, data. > If I were reading your code, how the hell would I know which one of those d was supposed to mean... Programing is allot about choosing names for things... I am sure everyone using D has a sufficient vocab, probably better than mine. USE IT! -- Thanks, Trevor Parscal www.trevorparscal.com trevorparscal@hotmail.com

June 01, 2005

Re: should std package be renamed?

Posted by Andrew Fedoniouk
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Andrew Fedoniouk

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"kris" <fu@bar.org> wrote in message news:d7jjj4$nkc$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> So I'll be an ass, and postulate "use mango.io instead?"
>

Harmonia also got harmonia.io.
Nothing spectacular there though. GUI related io.

Andrew.





> <g>
>
>
> J C Calvarese wrote:
>> In article <d7j1ir$82d$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Ben Hinkle says...
>>
>>>It seems ugly to me to have modules like std.stdio, std.stdarg, std.stdint and all the std.c.stdio, std.c.stdlib and friends. Anyone else think
>>
>>
>> I'd try renaming std.stdio > std.io std.stdarg > std.arg
>> std.stdint > std.integer
>> for starters.
>>
>>
>>>something should be done? The most obvious choice is to change "std" to
>>>"d" and move "std.c.foo" to "c.foo". For example the directory structure
>>>would become (where indenting indicates nesting)
>>>phobos
>>> etc (same as before)
>>> c
>>>   stdio
>>>   stdlib
>>>   stdarg
>>>   ...
>>> d
>>>   boxer
>>>   conv
>>>   ctype
>>>   date
>>>   ...
>>>   stdarg
>>>   stdio
>>>   string
>>>   ...
>>>   zlib
>>>
>>>For example instead of
>>> import std.stdio;
>>> import std.c.stdio;
>>> import std.string;
>>>you'd write
>>> import d.stdio;
>>> import c.stdio;
>>> import d.string;
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I suggested a similar idea a couple years ago (before we had "std"), but
>> it
>> turned out I was wrong. Walter's message from 17 Oct 2003:
>>
>> "What happened was that I'd prefer just 'd', but it wound up causing
>> problems
>> because 'd' was commonly used as a local variable name. 'D' is rarely
>> used,
>> so seemed to make better sense.
>>
>> "Compromises everywhere, sigh <g>."
>>
>> (http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?D/18378)
>>
>>
>> We managed to convince him that "D" wasn't good enough either and finally
>> Walter
>> selected "std" as the name. I think Phobos could use some reorganization,
>> but I
>> don't think "d" is the answer.
>>
>> jcc7

Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: > "kris" <fu@bar.org> wrote in message news:d7jjj4$nkc$1@digitaldaemon.com... > >>So I'll be an ass, and postulate "use mango.io instead?" >> > > > Harmonia also got harmonia.io. > Nothing spectacular there though. GUI related io. > > Andrew. Wasn't there some kind of tripped-out psychedelic folk-music act in the sixties called "Harmonia & Mango" ?

The variable "d" is often used in conjunction with "a", "b", and "c". For example, an implementation of the SHA-1 algorithm uses the first five letters of the alphabet in its formula. I would hate to use a language that gave me an error like this: test.d(10): the variable name "ab" is too short. I hope you realize I would go to another compiler if I ever saw a message like that. When writing programs for others to use, remember: You and your program *are not* and *should not be portrayed as* better than the user, ever or even to any degree. *The user is king*, and your program is his or her *LOWLY SERVANT*. Anything else is offensive and annoying. -[Unknown] > Who names a variable d? That is the most non-descriptive variable name ever, and anyone who uses it should be slapped with a fine, payable to Walter's pay pal account. > > x, y.. z.. I can see.. Like in coordinate systems.. I suppose I can event see w and h if you are so lazy you cant write width and height.. Which btw drives me insane... If d is a common variable name, local, global.. class members.. ANYTHING.. Than what are you using it for? PLEASE tell me!

"Trevor Parscal" <trevorparscal@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d7jl48$omj$1@digitaldaemon.com... > Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: >> d is distance, discriminant, data. >> > > If I were reading your code, how the hell would I know which one of those d was supposed to mean... Easy, see: bool HaveSpacesuitWillTravel() { foreach(distance d; stars) { if (d <= 4.3) writef("Alpha Centaurus? Piece of cake!"); else writef("Do you have a spare ion drive, BTW?"); } } > > Programing is allot about choosing names for things... I am sure everyone using D has a sufficient vocab, probably better than mine. USE IT! > > -- > Thanks, > Trevor Parscal > www.trevorparscal.com > trevorparscal@hotmail.com

In article <1o6qpoefvv20w$.i85textgh7d9$.dlg@40tude.net>, Derek Parnell says... > >On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:35:26 -0700, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: > >> d is distance, discriminant, data. > >d is dumb ;-) It's not dumb. It's just the letter I use when a, b, and c are already used. :) jcc7

In article <d7jjj4$nkc$1@digitaldaemon.com>, kris says... > >So I'll be an ass, and postulate "use mango.io instead?" > ><g> Can we continue the tread, then... std.stdarg > mango.arg std.stdint > mango.integer =) > > >J C Calvarese wrote: >> In article <d7j1ir$82d$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Ben Hinkle says... >> >>>It seems ugly to me to have modules like std.stdio, std.stdarg, std.stdint and all the std.c.stdio, std.c.stdlib and friends. Anyone else think >> >> >> I'd try renaming >> std.stdio > std.io >> std.stdarg > std.arg >> std.stdint > std.integer >> for starters. .. jcc7

In article <d7jp8f$u1o$1@digitaldaemon.com>, J C Calvarese says... > >In article <1o6qpoefvv20w$.i85textgh7d9$.dlg@40tude.net>, Derek Parnell says... >> >>On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:35:26 -0700, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: >> >>> d is distance, discriminant, data. >> >>d is dumb ;-) > >It's not dumb. It's just the letter I use when a, b, and c are already used. :) > >jcc7 why use a, b, c, d... ? Arrays are SOOO much more flexible, powerful, manageable, and in most cases, faster when compiled. Eh.. whatever, It's not the point.. I won't name my varaible that way.. and why would you have a user data type that's all lowercase? foreach(distance d; ... Wouldnt that be foreach(DISTANCE distance; ... or foreach(Distance distance; ... Well... I appricate the feedback anyhoo. Have a good night gents! Thanks, Trevor Parscal www.trevorparscal.com trevorparscal@hotmail.com

In article <d7jkm3$ofc$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Trevor Parscal says... > > >>>Walter's message from 17 Oct 2003: >>> >>>"What happened was that I'd prefer just 'd', but it wound up causing >>>problems >>>because 'd' was commonly used as a local variable name. 'D' is rarely >>>used, > >Who names a variable d? That is the most non-descriptive variable name ever, and anyone who uses it should be slapped with a fine, payable to Walter's pay pal account. Oh, come on now. I'd use "jeNeSaisQuoi", "savoirFaire", and "deJaVu" for variable names instead, but they take a lot more effort to type. .. >C. Do we all just rant cause we lack an outlet for this crap anywhere else.. (I mean, honestly, I can't talk to my fiance or my friends about this crap..) Probably. jcc7

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