OK, I've ran a few rounds on debugging D.
(I've seen frigtening heights in the topic of debuggers and codeview
formats... I'm everything but an expert with debuggers.)

All that I finally found is that the thing is in the way of decent debugging is that the compiler sipmly not provides the (cv4) symbolic debug information.

http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?D/28413
(from http://www.wikiservice.at/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?PendingPeeves)

I've seen an unofficial wishlist on D features. I don't thik that there is anything more important and helpful than a debugger, which means providing the needed debug info.

I dared to notice this because I feel that the importance of this is lost in the debate of wishlists and already semi-working debuggers. (As my personal view, I find it odd, how others develop without being able even to debug the content of a char[]. printf? You must be kidding.)

Please right me if I'm wrong.
I really like to know if there is a plan on debug info.

ElfQT

ElfQT wrote:
> OK, I've ran a few rounds on debugging D.
> (I've seen frigtening heights in the topic of debuggers and codeview formats... I'm everything but an expert with debuggers.)

I know what you mean.  I wasn't very knowledgable in object file formats before 4 weeks ago.  My head is still spinning.

> All that I finally found is that the thing is in the way of decent debugging is that the compiler sipmly not provides the (cv4) symbolic debug information.
> 
> http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?D/28413
> (from http://www.wikiservice.at/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?PendingPeeves)
> 
> I've seen an unofficial wishlist on D features. I don't thik that there is anything more important and helpful than a debugger, which means providing the needed debug info.

For what it's worth, my research can corroborate this.  The .obj files generated by DMD are great for line-number matching with source, but that's about it.  You're right, it provides absolutely zilch when it comes to type information.  The remainder of information needed to support it simply isn't there (the $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS segments are absent).  Even if it was, the type index fields are all zero whenever they come up.

So the short version is: the needed data isn't present at the .obj level (at least not as far as I can tell).

> I dared to notice this because I feel that the importance of this is lost in
> the debate of wishlists and already semi-working debuggers. (As my personal
> view, I find it odd, how others develop without being able even to debug the
> content of a char[]. printf? You must be kidding.)

Never under-estimate the power of the printf().

> Please right me if I'm wrong.
> I really like to know if there is a plan on debug info.

I second that.  I'm a bit curious myself.

-- 
- EricAnderton at yahoo

"pragma" <EricAnderton@youknowthedrill.yahoo> wrote in message news:dfj1vr$311m$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> For what it's worth, my research can corroborate this.  The .obj files generated by DMD are great for line-number matching with source, but that's about it.  You're right, it provides absolutely zilch when it comes to type information.  The remainder of information needed to support it simply isn't there (the $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS segments are absent).  Even if it was, the type index fields are all zero whenever they come up.

Strange. When I compile the following code, and obj2asm it, I get this. The $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS are there, and windbg.exe can find them.

-------------------------------
module abc;

char[] foos = "foo";

alias int myint;

myint f;
enum E { e }

wchar _XX;

int foo(char c, int argulid)
{
    int x = 3;
    return x + c;
}

class Bar
{
    int x;
    int y;
    protected int z;
}

enum Easy : int
{
 red,
 blue,
 green,
}
------------------------------------------
_TEXT segment dword use32 public 'CODE' ;size is 0
_TEXT ends
_DATA segment para use32 public 'DATA' ;size is 128
_DATA ends
CONST segment para use32 public 'CONST' ;size is 0
CONST ends
_BSS segment para use32 public 'BSS' ;size is 4
_BSS ends
$$SYMBOLS segment dword use32  'DEBSYM' ;size is 237
$$SYMBOLS ends
$$TYPES segment dword use32  'DEBTYP' ;size is 210
$$TYPES ends
FLAT group

 public _D3abc4foosAa
 public _D3abc1fi
 extrn _D3abc3fooFaiZi
 extrn _D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
 extrn _D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
 extrn _D6object6Object6toHashFZk
 extrn _D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
 extrn _D6object6Object5printFZv
 extrn __Class_6Object
 extrn __vtbl_9ClassInfo

 public _D3abc3_XXu
 public __init_3abc3Bar
 public __Class_3abc3Bar
 public __vtbl_3abc3Bar
_D3abc3fooFaiZi COMDAT flags=x0 attr=x0 align=x0

_TEXT segment
 assume CS:_TEXT
_TEXT ends
_DATA segment
 db 066h,06fh,06fh,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
_D3abc4foosAa:
 db 003h,000h,000h,000h
 dd offset FLAT:_DATA
_D3abc3_XXu:
 db 0ffh,0ffh,000h,000h
__init_3abc3Bar:
 dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
 db 042h,061h,072h,000h
__Class_3abc3Bar:
 dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_9ClassInfo
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h,014h,000h,000h,000h
 dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar
 db 003h,000h,000h,000h
 dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar[014h]
 db 006h,000h,000h,000h
 dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h
 dd offset FLAT:__Class_6Object
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
 db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
__vtbl_3abc3Bar:
 dd offset FLAT:__Class_3abc3Bar
 dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5printFZv
 dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
 dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object6toHashFZk
 dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
 dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
_DATA ends
CONST segment
CONST ends
_BSS segment
_BSS ends
$$SYMBOLS segment
S_COMPILE  06 x008000 Z8.45.6
S_GDATA32    off = x0008, seg = x0000, typ = x0023 _D3abc4foosAa
segidx = 5 offset = 0018, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000

S_GDATA32    off = x0000, seg = x0000, typ = x0074 _D3abc1fi
segidx = 5 offset = 0032, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 4, targdisp = x0000

S_UDT      <typidx 1001> E
S_GDATA32    off = x0010, seg = x0000, typ = x0021 _D3abc3_XXu
segidx = 5 offset = 0050, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000

S_GPROC32    par=x00000000 end=x00000000 next=x00000000 len=x001a
debsta=x0007 debend=x0016 off=x0000 seg=x0000 proctyp=x1004 near
_D3abc3fooFaiZi
segidx = 5 offset = 0080, lcfd = ec12, fd = 1, td = 1, targdisp = x0000

S_ENDARG
S_BPREL32    off = xfffffff8, typ = x0074 argulid
S_BPREL32    off = x0008, typ = x0020 c
S_BPREL32    off = xfffffffc, typ = x0074 x
S_RETURN   00 00 01 01 11
S_END
S_UDT      <typidx 1006> abc.Bar
S_UDT      <typidx 1009> Easy
$$SYMBOLS ends
$$TYPES segment
00: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=0
01: LF_ENUM      count=1 <typidx 0074> <fList 1002> property=x0000 E
02: LF_FIELDLIST
    LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 e
03: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=2 <typidx 0020> <typidx 0074>
04: LF_PROCEDURE <rvtype 0074> <near pascal> 00 #parms=2 <typidx 1003>
05: LF_VTSHAPE   count=1 55
06: LF_STRUCTURE count=4 <typidx 1008> property=x0000 <dList 0000> <vshape
1005> length=x0014 abc.Bar
07: LF_STRUCTURE count=0 <typidx 0000> property=x0080 <dList 0000> <vshape
0000> length=x0000 Object
08: LF_FIELDLIST
    LF_BCLASS    <typidx 1007> attribute=x0003 x0000
    LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=8 x
    LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=12 y
    LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0002 offset=16 z
09: LF_ENUM      count=3 <typidx 0074> <fList 100a> property=x0000 Easy
0a: LF_FIELDLIST
    LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 red
    LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0001 blue
    LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0002 green
$$TYPES ends
_D3abc3fooFaiZi comdat
 assume CS:_D3abc3fooFaiZi
;
;module abc;
;
;char[] foos = "foo";
;
;alias int myint;
;
;myint f;
;enum E { e }
;
;wchar _XX;
;
;int foo(char c, int argulid)
  enter 8,0
  mov -8[EBP],EAX
;{
;    int x = 3;
  mov EAX,3
  mov -4[EBP],EAX
;    return x + c;
  movzx EAX,byte ptr 8[EBP]
  add EAX,-4[EBP]
;}
  leave
  ret 4
_D3abc3fooFaiZi ends
;
;class Bar
;{
;    int x;
;    int y;
;    protected int z;
;}
;
;enum Easy : int
;{
; red,
; blue,
; green,
;}
 end

It must be something with my code, or I merely forgot to compile a debug version of my test module.

I stand corrected, thank you Walter.

- Eric

Walter Bright wrote:
> "pragma" <EricAnderton@youknowthedrill.yahoo> wrote in message
> news:dfj1vr$311m$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>For what it's worth, my research can corroborate this.  The .obj files
>>generated by DMD are great for line-number matching with source, but
>>that's about it.  You're right, it provides absolutely zilch when it
>>comes to type information.  The remainder of information needed to
>>support it simply isn't there (the $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS segments are
>>absent).  Even if it was, the type index fields are all zero whenever
>>they come up.
> 
> 
> Strange. When I compile the following code, and obj2asm it, I get this. The
> $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS are there, and windbg.exe can find them.
> 
> -------------------------------
> module abc;
> 
> char[] foos = "foo";
> 
> alias int myint;
> 
> myint f;
> enum E { e }
> 
> wchar _XX;
> 
> int foo(char c, int argulid)
> {
>     int x = 3;
>     return x + c;
> }
> 
> class Bar
> {
>     int x;
>     int y;
>     protected int z;
> }
> 
> enum Easy : int
> {
>  red,
>  blue,
>  green,
> }
> ------------------------------------------
> _TEXT segment dword use32 public 'CODE' ;size is 0
> _TEXT ends
> _DATA segment para use32 public 'DATA' ;size is 128
> _DATA ends
> CONST segment para use32 public 'CONST' ;size is 0
> CONST ends
> _BSS segment para use32 public 'BSS' ;size is 4
> _BSS ends
> $$SYMBOLS segment dword use32  'DEBSYM' ;size is 237
> $$SYMBOLS ends
> $$TYPES segment dword use32  'DEBTYP' ;size is 210
> $$TYPES ends
> FLAT group
> 
>  public _D3abc4foosAa
>  public _D3abc1fi
>  extrn _D3abc3fooFaiZi
>  extrn _D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
>  extrn _D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
>  extrn _D6object6Object6toHashFZk
>  extrn _D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
>  extrn _D6object6Object5printFZv
>  extrn __Class_6Object
>  extrn __vtbl_9ClassInfo
> 
>  public _D3abc3_XXu
>  public __init_3abc3Bar
>  public __Class_3abc3Bar
>  public __vtbl_3abc3Bar
> _D3abc3fooFaiZi COMDAT flags=x0 attr=x0 align=x0
> 
> _TEXT segment
>  assume CS:_TEXT
> _TEXT ends
> _DATA segment
>  db 066h,06fh,06fh,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
> _D3abc4foosAa:
>  db 003h,000h,000h,000h
>  dd offset FLAT:_DATA
> _D3abc3_XXu:
>  db 0ffh,0ffh,000h,000h
> __init_3abc3Bar:
>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>  db 042h,061h,072h,000h
> __Class_3abc3Bar:
>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_9ClassInfo
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,014h,000h,000h,000h
>  dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar
>  db 003h,000h,000h,000h
>  dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar[014h]
>  db 006h,000h,000h,000h
>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h
>  dd offset FLAT:__Class_6Object
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
> __vtbl_3abc3Bar:
>  dd offset FLAT:__Class_3abc3Bar
>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5printFZv
>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object6toHashFZk
>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
> _DATA ends
> CONST segment
> CONST ends
> _BSS segment
> _BSS ends
> $$SYMBOLS segment
> S_COMPILE  06 x008000 Z8.45.6
> S_GDATA32    off = x0008, seg = x0000, typ = x0023 _D3abc4foosAa
> segidx = 5 offset = 0018, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000
> 
> S_GDATA32    off = x0000, seg = x0000, typ = x0074 _D3abc1fi
> segidx = 5 offset = 0032, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 4, targdisp = x0000
> 
> S_UDT      <typidx 1001> E
> S_GDATA32    off = x0010, seg = x0000, typ = x0021 _D3abc3_XXu
> segidx = 5 offset = 0050, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000
> 
> S_GPROC32    par=x00000000 end=x00000000 next=x00000000 len=x001a
> debsta=x0007 debend=x0016 off=x0000 seg=x0000 proctyp=x1004 near
> _D3abc3fooFaiZi
> segidx = 5 offset = 0080, lcfd = ec12, fd = 1, td = 1, targdisp = x0000
> 
> S_ENDARG
> S_BPREL32    off = xfffffff8, typ = x0074 argulid
> S_BPREL32    off = x0008, typ = x0020 c
> S_BPREL32    off = xfffffffc, typ = x0074 x
> S_RETURN   00 00 01 01 11
> S_END
> S_UDT      <typidx 1006> abc.Bar
> S_UDT      <typidx 1009> Easy
> $$SYMBOLS ends
> $$TYPES segment
> 00: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=0
> 01: LF_ENUM      count=1 <typidx 0074> <fList 1002> property=x0000 E
> 02: LF_FIELDLIST
>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 e
> 03: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=2 <typidx 0020> <typidx 0074>
> 04: LF_PROCEDURE <rvtype 0074> <near pascal> 00 #parms=2 <typidx 1003>
> 05: LF_VTSHAPE   count=1 55
> 06: LF_STRUCTURE count=4 <typidx 1008> property=x0000 <dList 0000> <vshape
> 1005> length=x0014 abc.Bar
> 07: LF_STRUCTURE count=0 <typidx 0000> property=x0080 <dList 0000> <vshape
> 0000> length=x0000 Object
> 08: LF_FIELDLIST
>     LF_BCLASS    <typidx 1007> attribute=x0003 x0000
>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=8 x
>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=12 y
>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0002 offset=16 z
> 09: LF_ENUM      count=3 <typidx 0074> <fList 100a> property=x0000 Easy
> 0a: LF_FIELDLIST
>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 red
>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0001 blue
>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0002 green
> $$TYPES ends
> _D3abc3fooFaiZi comdat
>  assume CS:_D3abc3fooFaiZi
> ;
> ;module abc;
> ;
> ;char[] foos = "foo";
> ;
> ;alias int myint;
> ;
> ;myint f;
> ;enum E { e }
> ;
> ;wchar _XX;
> ;
> ;int foo(char c, int argulid)
>   enter 8,0
>   mov -8[EBP],EAX
> ;{
> ;    int x = 3;
>   mov EAX,3
>   mov -4[EBP],EAX
> ;    return x + c;
>   movzx EAX,byte ptr 8[EBP]
>   add EAX,-4[EBP]
> ;}
>   leave
>   ret 4
> _D3abc3fooFaiZi ends
> ;
> ;class Bar
> ;{
> ;    int x;
> ;    int y;
> ;    protected int z;
> ;}
> ;
> ;enum Easy : int
> ;{
> ; red,
> ; blue,
> ; green,
> ;}
>  end
> 
> 


-- 
- EricAnderton at yahoo

You were probably looking for OMF/COFF symbols but walter is refering to codeview symbols

pragma wrote:
> It must be something with my code, or I merely forgot to compile a debug version of my test module.
> 
> I stand corrected, thank you Walter.
> 
> - Eric
> 
> Walter Bright wrote:
> 
>> "pragma" <EricAnderton@youknowthedrill.yahoo> wrote in message
>> news:dfj1vr$311m$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>>
>>> For what it's worth, my research can corroborate this.  The .obj files
>>> generated by DMD are great for line-number matching with source, but
>>> that's about it.  You're right, it provides absolutely zilch when it
>>> comes to type information.  The remainder of information needed to
>>> support it simply isn't there (the $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS segments are
>>> absent).  Even if it was, the type index fields are all zero whenever
>>> they come up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Strange. When I compile the following code, and obj2asm it, I get this. The
>> $$TYPES and $$SYMBOLS are there, and windbg.exe can find them.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> module abc;
>>
>> char[] foos = "foo";
>>
>> alias int myint;
>>
>> myint f;
>> enum E { e }
>>
>> wchar _XX;
>>
>> int foo(char c, int argulid)
>> {
>>     int x = 3;
>>     return x + c;
>> }
>>
>> class Bar
>> {
>>     int x;
>>     int y;
>>     protected int z;
>> }
>>
>> enum Easy : int
>> {
>>  red,
>>  blue,
>>  green,
>> }
>> ------------------------------------------
>> _TEXT segment dword use32 public 'CODE' ;size is 0
>> _TEXT ends
>> _DATA segment para use32 public 'DATA' ;size is 128
>> _DATA ends
>> CONST segment para use32 public 'CONST' ;size is 0
>> CONST ends
>> _BSS segment para use32 public 'BSS' ;size is 4
>> _BSS ends
>> $$SYMBOLS segment dword use32  'DEBSYM' ;size is 237
>> $$SYMBOLS ends
>> $$TYPES segment dword use32  'DEBTYP' ;size is 210
>> $$TYPES ends
>> FLAT group
>>
>>  public _D3abc4foosAa
>>  public _D3abc1fi
>>  extrn _D3abc3fooFaiZi
>>  extrn _D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
>>  extrn _D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
>>  extrn _D6object6Object6toHashFZk
>>  extrn _D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
>>  extrn _D6object6Object5printFZv
>>  extrn __Class_6Object
>>  extrn __vtbl_9ClassInfo
>>
>>  public _D3abc3_XXu
>>  public __init_3abc3Bar
>>  public __Class_3abc3Bar
>>  public __vtbl_3abc3Bar
>> _D3abc3fooFaiZi COMDAT flags=x0 attr=x0 align=x0
>>
>> _TEXT segment
>>  assume CS:_TEXT
>> _TEXT ends
>> _DATA segment
>>  db 066h,06fh,06fh,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>> _D3abc4foosAa:
>>  db 003h,000h,000h,000h
>>  dd offset FLAT:_DATA
>> _D3abc3_XXu:
>>  db 0ffh,0ffh,000h,000h
>> __init_3abc3Bar:
>>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>>  db 042h,061h,072h,000h
>> __Class_3abc3Bar:
>>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_9ClassInfo
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,014h,000h,000h,000h
>>  dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar
>>  db 003h,000h,000h,000h
>>  dd offset FLAT:__init_3abc3Bar[014h]
>>  db 006h,000h,000h,000h
>>  dd offset FLAT:__vtbl_3abc3Bar
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h
>>  dd offset FLAT:__Class_6Object
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>>  db 000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h,000h
>> __vtbl_3abc3Bar:
>>  dd offset FLAT:__Class_3abc3Bar
>>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5printFZv
>>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8toStringFZAa
>>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object6toHashFZk
>>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object5opCmpFC6ObjectZi
>>  dd offset FLAT:_D6object6Object8opEqualsFC6ObjectZi
>> _DATA ends
>> CONST segment
>> CONST ends
>> _BSS segment
>> _BSS ends
>> $$SYMBOLS segment
>> S_COMPILE  06 x008000 Z8.45.6
>> S_GDATA32    off = x0008, seg = x0000, typ = x0023 _D3abc4foosAa
>> segidx = 5 offset = 0018, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000
>>
>> S_GDATA32    off = x0000, seg = x0000, typ = x0074 _D3abc1fi
>> segidx = 5 offset = 0032, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 4, targdisp = x0000
>>
>> S_UDT      <typidx 1001> E
>> S_GDATA32    off = x0010, seg = x0000, typ = x0021 _D3abc3_XXu
>> segidx = 5 offset = 0050, lcfd = ec10, fd = 1, td = 2, targdisp = x0000
>>
>> S_GPROC32    par=x00000000 end=x00000000 next=x00000000 len=x001a
>> debsta=x0007 debend=x0016 off=x0000 seg=x0000 proctyp=x1004 near
>> _D3abc3fooFaiZi
>> segidx = 5 offset = 0080, lcfd = ec12, fd = 1, td = 1, targdisp = x0000
>>
>> S_ENDARG
>> S_BPREL32    off = xfffffff8, typ = x0074 argulid
>> S_BPREL32    off = x0008, typ = x0020 c
>> S_BPREL32    off = xfffffffc, typ = x0074 x
>> S_RETURN   00 00 01 01 11
>> S_END
>> S_UDT      <typidx 1006> abc.Bar
>> S_UDT      <typidx 1009> Easy
>> $$SYMBOLS ends
>> $$TYPES segment
>> 00: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=0
>> 01: LF_ENUM      count=1 <typidx 0074> <fList 1002> property=x0000 E
>> 02: LF_FIELDLIST
>>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 e
>> 03: LF_ARGLIST   argcount=2 <typidx 0020> <typidx 0074>
>> 04: LF_PROCEDURE <rvtype 0074> <near pascal> 00 #parms=2 <typidx 1003>
>> 05: LF_VTSHAPE   count=1 55
>> 06: LF_STRUCTURE count=4 <typidx 1008> property=x0000 <dList 0000> <vshape
>> 1005> length=x0014 abc.Bar
>> 07: LF_STRUCTURE count=0 <typidx 0000> property=x0080 <dList 0000> <vshape
>> 0000> length=x0000 Object
>> 08: LF_FIELDLIST
>>     LF_BCLASS    <typidx 1007> attribute=x0003 x0000
>>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=8 x
>>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0003 offset=12 y
>>     LF_MEMBER    <typidx 0074> attribute=x0002 offset=16 z
>> 09: LF_ENUM      count=3 <typidx 0074> <fList 100a> property=x0000 Easy
>> 0a: LF_FIELDLIST
>>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0000 red
>>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0001 blue
>>     LF_ENUMERATE attribute=x0000 x0002 green
>> $$TYPES ends
>> _D3abc3fooFaiZi comdat
>>  assume CS:_D3abc3fooFaiZi
>> ;
>> ;module abc;
>> ;
>> ;char[] foos = "foo";
>> ;
>> ;alias int myint;
>> ;
>> ;myint f;
>> ;enum E { e }
>> ;
>> ;wchar _XX;
>> ;
>> ;int foo(char c, int argulid)
>>   enter 8,0
>>   mov -8[EBP],EAX
>> ;{
>> ;    int x = 3;
>>   mov EAX,3
>>   mov -4[EBP],EAX
>> ;    return x + c;
>>   movzx EAX,byte ptr 8[EBP]
>>   add EAX,-4[EBP]
>> ;}
>>   leave
>>   ret 4
>> _D3abc3fooFaiZi ends
>> ;
>> ;class Bar
>> ;{
>> ;    int x;
>> ;    int y;
>> ;    protected int z;
>> ;}
>> ;
>> ;enum Easy : int
>> ;{
>> ; red,
>> ; blue,
>> ; green,
>> ;}
>>  end
>>
>>
> 
> 

"J Thomas" <jtd514@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:dgeqkj$13ta$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> You were probably looking for OMF/COFF symbols but walter is refering to codeview symbols

In any case, obj2asm will definitively determine if they exist in your .obj files.