On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:57:25 +0000, John Reimer wrote:

> In article <pan.2006.03.12.19.30.26.988373@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>
>>This is true, do you know about ibogaine  ???
>>
>>http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ibogaine6.htm
> 
> 
> Trading one addiction for another is rarely a good idea.
Here you assume without reason that you get addicted to ibogaine. Do you know that ?

> The cold hard fact of
> the matter is that the only way to trully break an addiction of any kind is
> through personal effort mixed with blood, sweat, and tears.  Without a will to
> win, there is no winning.  That's why addictions are so horrid for us humans:
> they tend to pick on the weakest part of our natures. There /is/ a way out,
> though.
> 
> Besides, I don't think coding addiction can ever be trully cured. Does anybody here know of a successful case?  ;)
> 
> -JJR

I think that mind programing is like ordinary programing
some use brute force others use a smart algorithm.
I prefers to use vipassana meditation myself.
See http://www.dhamma.org/

Knud Sørensen wrote:
> I think that mind programing is like ordinary programing some use brute force others use a smart algorithm.
> I prefers to use vipassana meditation myself.

A so called "smart algorithm" may work once here and there, but in the long run, you have to change your way of thinking; you have to change yourself, and it's not easy.
Taking a medication is like letting another guy do your homework for you; it may get you an A for this assignment, but you'll get an F on the final if you continue on with this "lazy" mentality.

Think about it. If you take a medication, and you think that's the only thing that you need to do, it's like saying .. I have this guy who's gonna always do my homework for me.
It's a mentality of laziness.

The only way to truely change yourself is to fight it, to strugle and                                         wrestle yourself into becoming a better, stronger person. That's the only way to take control of yourself and your life. This includes talking to yourself and your "subcounciousness", which may include meditation, etc. But in the end, it's got to be "through personal effort mixed with blood, sweat, and tears."

-Hasan

Knud Sørensen wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:57:25 +0000, John Reimer wrote:
> 
>> In article <pan.2006.03.12.19.30.26.988373@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>>
>>>This is true, do you know about ibogaine  ???
>>>
>>>http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ibogaine6.htm
>> 
>> 
>> Trading one addiction for another is rarely a good idea.
> Here you assume without reason that you get addicted to ibogaine. Do you know that ?

I don't know whether John knows this or not, but being a paramedic probably helps know more about such subjects than me.

I read that you consider programming an addiction. I struggled with this idea when I was a teenager, so perhaps I can relate somewhat.  I also gave up programming for long periods of time.  In retrospect, I believe that this was not the right thing to do.  Programming addiction is not like addiction to alcohol or drugs.  Substance abuse like that is never productive or helpful.

There are some behaviors that are necessary and yet tend to be addictive, because of the pleasure involved.  Like for example eating and sex.  These behaviors are very pleasurable, but for a good reason.  If these pleasurable urges  were not in place, we would probably not be here today.  People that don't eat, die.  Creatures that don't procreate become extinct.

However, overeating and sexual addiction are not productive.  But that does not mean we should stop eating or stop having sex if we find ourselves "addicted".

The most ideal and perhaps most difficult path to take is the path of moderation.  We must find the balance in our lives that achieves the greatest level of happiness and productivity for ourselves, those in our sphere of influence, and our posterity.

The capacity to program is a gift, not a disease.  I hope my words do not fall on deaf ears.  Bobef, we all appreciate your contributions to computer science.  Please do not give up.

-Craig

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:07:02 -0600, Craig Black wrote:

> I read that you consider programming an addiction. I struggled with this idea when I was a teenager, so perhaps I can relate somewhat.  I also gave up programming for long periods of time.  In retrospect, I believe that this was not the right thing to do.  Programming addiction is not like addiction to alcohol or drugs.  Substance abuse like that is never productive or helpful.
> 
> There are some behaviors that are necessary and yet tend to be addictive, because of the pleasure involved.  Like for example eating and sex.  These behaviors are very pleasurable, but for a good reason.  If these pleasurable urges  were not in place, we would probably not be here today.  People that don't eat, die.  Creatures that don't procreate become extinct.
> 
Maybe you should try to read http://www.healingtaousa.com/bigu.html

Mind over Matter.

Knud Sørensen wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:07:02 -0600, Craig Black wrote:
> 
>> I read that you consider programming an addiction. I struggled with this idea when I was a teenager, so perhaps I can relate somewhat.  I also gave up programming for long periods of time.  In retrospect, I believe that this was not the right thing to do.  Programming addiction is not like addiction to alcohol or drugs.  Substance abuse like that is never productive or helpful.
>>
>> There are some behaviors that are necessary and yet tend to be addictive, because of the pleasure involved.  Like for example eating and sex.  These behaviors are very pleasurable, but for a good reason.  If these pleasurable urges  were not in place, we would probably not be here today.  People that don't eat, die.  Creatures that don't procreate become extinct.
>>
> Maybe you should try to read
> http://www.healingtaousa.com/bigu.html
> 
> Mind over Matter.
> 
> 

What exactly are you trying to say?

[This could very well be the mother of all offtopics]

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

lol!
"Knud Sørensen" <12tkvvb02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:07:02 -0600, Craig Black wrote:
>
>> I read that you consider programming an addiction. I struggled with this
>> idea when I was a teenager, so perhaps I can relate somewhat.  I also
>> gave
>> up programming for long periods of time.  In retrospect, I believe that
>> this
>> was not the right thing to do.  Programming addiction is not like
>> addiction
>> to alcohol or drugs.  Substance abuse like that is never productive or
>> helpful.
>>
>> There are some behaviors that are necessary and yet tend to be addictive,
>> because of the pleasure involved.  Like for example eating and sex.
>> These
>> behaviors are very pleasurable, but for a good reason.  If these
>> pleasurable
>> urges  were not in place, we would probably not be here today.  People
>> that
>> don't eat, die.  Creatures that don't procreate become extinct.
>>
> Maybe you should try to read http://www.healingtaousa.com/bigu.html
>
> Mind over Matter.
>
>