http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

I think that there is something else note worthy on the Tiobe news this month,
scroll down the index index page to the November News flash and you'ss see this tidbit...

> In 2 months time we will announce the "programming language of 2007". Last years winner Ruby is favourite to win the title again closely followed by D and C#.

A...

BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

# 12 actually.

--bb

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:55:13 +0200, BCS <BCS@pathlink.com> wrote:

> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

Delphi also got ahead of D again.

-- 
Best regards,
 Vladimir                          mailto:thecybershadow@gmail.com

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:55:13 -0800, BCS wrote:

> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

Should jump much higher when D 2.0 is final and stable with the spec is published.

A proper book would also help.  I know Walter's too busy to do that though. Might even start stealing a few Lispers. :)

Bill Baxter wrote:
> BCS wrote:
> 
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html
> 
> 
> # 12 actually.
> 
> --bb

sorry x-)

BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

It's interesting; if you look at the deltas between now and exactly one
year ago, the only language with a faster growth than D (+1.02%) is Ruby
(+1.37%).

And check out these deltas:

C		-3.23%
C++		-2.03%
Perl		-1.49%
C#		+0.89%
Visual Basic	+0.76%
JavaScript	+0.62%
Python		+0.59%

Clearly, people are no longer listening to Dijkstra :P  Visual Basic has actually gone up over C++, which is frankly kinda scary.

As usual, Tiobe, grain of salt; but it's interesting none the less.

	-- Daniel

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:25:56 +0200, Daniel Keep <daniel.keep.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Visual Basic has
> actually gone up over C++, which is frankly kinda scary.

VB will be wherever newbies roam. I guess more people are getting into programming lately, which is good (assuming they don't stick with VB for too long).

-- 
Best regards,
 Vladimir                          mailto:thecybershadow@gmail.com

Does somebody know of reasons to trust TIOBE? I see this posted regularly as some sort of "proof" that D is becoming more popular, but at best it looks like some definition of "buzz" surrounding a language.

Counting search engine hits is practically useless as the search engines themselves typically (always?) estimate the total number of hits for a given query as computing the actual number is potentially very expensive.

Compare the number of hits listed:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22D+Programming+Language%22 http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22D+Programming+Language%22&b=501

(it appears that Google now returns a stable number, which seems to be
a recent change)

There is also the question of what gets included in any given search engine's index, which may favour excluding web pages for all kinds of arbitrary reasons (spam, "relevance", age, ..).


Counting job market mentions sounds almost completely useless, given the levels of accuracy on display by your average recruiter who is publishing the adverts TIOBE are likely crawling ("Oh you know C++? Excellent! I have this awesome web development opening...").


Additionally the web site claims "[...] the index can be used to check whether your programming skills are still up to date or to make a strategic decision about what programming language should be adopted when starting to build a new software system."

This is absolutely *not* the way to go about making a "strategic" decision about the use of a programming language. :)


David.

On 11/5/07, BCS <BCS@pathlink.com> wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html
>

Reply to David,

> Does somebody know of reasons to trust TIOBE? I see this posted
> regularly as some sort of "proof" that D is becoming more popular, but
> at best it looks like some definition of "buzz" surrounding a
> language.
> 

What's wrong with D getting a lot of Buzz?

It's a informal scoring system, Also while it may not indicate anything it may well generate interest in D.