> In France OCaml is in industry use, Airbus/ESA. France Telecom. Means OMake is still alive. Hope I got the chance to introduce D in Toulouse/Airbus this summer.
> 
>>
>> --bb

OCaml is an excellent language as is F# and Haskell These languages are used by companies like Microsoft to build compilers :) Functional languages are not new Lisp has been around for years, but they are just starting to find their way into OO languages now, even D borrows from the functional paradigm with lazy evaluation, lazy I call it common sense ;) OMake is useful and could easily be utilised for D!

I am trying to educate the engineering bods in our work place about alternatives to Java and C++ mainly D and OCaml, sadly the arguments I get are related to lack of a decent IDE and Thin client support.

I will continue to chip away and you never know :)

DBloke wrote:
> 
>> In France OCaml is in industry use, Airbus/ESA. France Telecom. Means OMake is still alive. Hope I got the chance to introduce D in Toulouse/Airbus this summer.
>>
>>>
>>> --bb
> 
> OCaml is an excellent language as is F# and Haskell These languages are used by companies like Microsoft to build compilers :) Functional languages are not new Lisp has been around for years, but they are just starting to find their way into OO languages now, even D borrows from the functional paradigm with lazy evaluation, lazy I call it common sense ;) OMake is useful and could easily be utilised for D!
> 
> I am trying to educate the engineering bods in our work place about alternatives to Java and C++ mainly D and OCaml, sadly the arguments I get are related to lack of a decent IDE and Thin client support.
> 
> I will continue to chip away and you never know :)

OCaml is certainly not bad.  I actually had decided to make it my primary compiled language about a year or so ago after getting fed up with C++.  But the switch was just too difficult for an old time C++ user.  It wasn't obvious how I should do anything.  And I think the places where functional code shines are pretty much exactly the places where I don't go very often.  OCaml's support for fast numerics was what attracted me initially, plus I knew some ML from school, but in the end I just found it too painful to switch.  For instance it's not so easy to translate C/C++ code I have written or which I find on the web to OCaml.

D on the other hand makes for a very smooth transition.   And in a pretty short time I was able to use it, know exactly what was going on, and was able to easily to port C/C++/Java/C# code where nothing native exists in D etc.  (Or call directly into C libs if they're too big to port).

I think the main problem with functional languages is that they're just so darned functional, and procedural additions like monads seem heavy-handed and cumbersome.  Adding a dose of functional features to a procedural language, however, works pretty well and lets you only use the functional stuff where you really need it.

Anyway, I wish OCaml luck, but it really is fighting an uphill battle.

--bb

Bill Baxter wrote:

>> About the images in the buttons... Are they missing on yours too?  Are you using Windows XP?  I haven't been able to track down the problem on that yet.  It was working for me a few revisions ago, but not now. I guess I'll add a ticket.
> 
> Yep.  WinXP.  Images missing on the buttons, and toolbars.
> 

I found the problem, but not the solution... yet.

The Activation Context API was used to add XP theme support to dwt recently. This fix however appears to be incomplete.  It activates the XP theme but apparently the images are still deactivated.

For now, the images will only appear if you have a manifest file like controlexample.exe.manifest in the same directory as the executable. The Activation Context fix was supposed to fix this too, but apparently it is inadequate at the moment.  We will have to look into why this is so.

So, as a temporary solution, here is the controlexample.exe.manifest (attached) file from the old dwt project.  Put this is the same directory as your controlexample.exe, and the images should show up.

-JJR