On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 15:46:07 UTC, BBasile wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 15:04:17 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 12:39:19 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 06:45:42 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 29 August 2015 at 15:45:14 UTC, default0 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 07:09:10 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>> [...]
>>> [...]
>
> actually you get nothing ? right ? Do you understood when I said:
>
>>> You know, DLangIDE will never grow if you don't use it **yourself**. By experience I can tell that you don't use it (because for example: it uses DCD and DCD had a lot of issues and I've never seen any report from you. When one really uses a software one always finds a bug...).
>
> this meant: "you are an hypocrit because you don't even use the software that you program".

Vadim, vadim, vadim...in your head there's a twelve old year child who doesn't know the devil yet. The child inside you doesn't understand the critcism...

o_O What's going on here?

On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 19:21:54 UTC, tired_eyes wrote:
> o_O What's going on here?

What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.

:)

On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>
> What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
> The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.
>
> :)

You know, your language is really a bit too strong!

Even if you are right (I don't actually know) and even it would be _much preferable_ if Vadim would use his own IDE, and even if it would be nice if he would report any DCD bugs he finds, why the name-calling?

A hypocrite: "...a person whose actions belie stated beliefs".

Did he actually state anywhere he uses his IDE for his normal coding every day? I cannot find any posting to that effect - so are you not jumping to conclusions here? DlangIDE may well just still be a work-in-progress for him as well. Maybe he has not fully figured out if the DCD problems were on his side or on DCD's. Maybe he has a list of DCD issues he will report in due time. Maybe he had personal reasons that kept him away from DLangIDE for awhile...  Why does it matter so much to you that you have to resort to this sort of name-calling?

In addition he has also contributed a GUI library (which is more than I can claim!), so I think he deserves to be treated as a valuable member of this community, not insulted!

Ettienne

On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 22:16:19 UTC, Ettienne Gilbert wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>
>> What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
>> The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.
>>
>> :)
>
> You know, your language is really a bit too strong!
>
> Even if you are right (I don't actually know) and even it would be _much preferable_ if Vadim would use his own IDE, and even if it would be nice if he would report any DCD bugs he finds, why the name-calling?
>
> A hypocrite: "...a person whose actions belie stated beliefs".
>
> Did he actually state anywhere he uses his IDE for his normal coding every day? I cannot find any posting to that effect - so are you not jumping to conclusions here? DlangIDE may well just still be a work-in-progress for him as well. Maybe he has not fully figured out if the DCD problems were on his side or on DCD's. Maybe he has a list of DCD issues he will report in due time. Maybe he had personal reasons that kept him away from DLangIDE for awhile...  Why does it matter so much to you that you have to resort to this sort of name-calling?
>
> In addition he has also contributed a GUI library (which is more than I can claim!), so I think he deserves to be treated as a valuable member of this community, not insulted!
>
> Ettienne

Actually, development of DlangIDE is real life usage of DlangUI library.
It requires adding of new features into GUI library, helps to find/fix bugs, etc.

I don't assume any IDE with missing debugging support as suitable for development.
So I'm not as a masochist as needed to use such tool.
Code completion and reference lookup is great but is not used unless IDE is used for development.

Now DlangIDE is more a demo of DlangUI features.

On Friday, 6 November 2015 at 06:07:16 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 22:16:19 UTC, Ettienne Gilbert wrote:
>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>>
<snip>
>
> Now DlangIDE is more a demo of DlangUI features.

Which is perfectly fine. Thanks for explaining.

Ettienne

On Friday, 6 November 2015 at 06:07:16 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 22:16:19 UTC, Ettienne Gilbert wrote:
>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>>
>>> What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
>>> The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> You know, your language is really a bit too strong!
>>
>> Even if you are right (I don't actually know) and even it would be _much preferable_ if Vadim would use his own IDE, and even if it would be nice if he would report any DCD bugs he finds, why the name-calling?
>>
>> A hypocrite: "...a person whose actions belie stated beliefs".
>>
>> Did he actually state anywhere he uses his IDE for his normal coding every day? I cannot find any posting to that effect - so are you not jumping to conclusions here? DlangIDE may well just still be a work-in-progress for him as well. Maybe he has not fully figured out if the DCD problems were on his side or on DCD's. Maybe he has a list of DCD issues he will report in due time. Maybe he had personal reasons that kept him away from DLangIDE for awhile...  Why does it matter so much to you that you have to resort to this sort of name-calling?
>>
>> In addition he has also contributed a GUI library (which is more than I can claim!), so I think he deserves to be treated as a valuable member of this community, not insulted!
>>
>> Ettienne
>
> Actually, development of DlangIDE is real life usage of DlangUI library.
> It requires adding of new features into GUI library, helps to find/fix bugs, etc.
>
> I don't assume any IDE with missing debugging support as suitable for development.
> So I'm not as a masochist as needed to use such tool.
> Code completion and reference lookup is great but is not used unless IDE is used for development.
>
> Now DlangIDE is more a demo of DlangUI features.

Sorry. with the DCD 0.7.5 release i camp on my position. You don't use it. You don't seem to get my position...It's totally impossible not to find a bug, even a small thing...when you use it.

;)

On Friday, 15 January 2016 at 20:03:01 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> On Friday, 6 November 2015 at 06:07:16 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 22:16:19 UTC, Ettienne Gilbert wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
>>>> The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>
>>> You know, your language is really a bit too strong!
>>>
>>> Even if you are right (I don't actually know) and even it would be _much preferable_ if Vadim would use his own IDE, and even if it would be nice if he would report any DCD bugs he finds, why the name-calling?
>>>
>>> A hypocrite: "...a person whose actions belie stated beliefs".
>>>
>>> Did he actually state anywhere he uses his IDE for his normal coding every day? I cannot find any posting to that effect - so are you not jumping to conclusions here? DlangIDE may well just still be a work-in-progress for him as well. Maybe he has not fully figured out if the DCD problems were on his side or on DCD's. Maybe he has a list of DCD issues he will report in due time. Maybe he had personal reasons that kept him away from DLangIDE for awhile...  Why does it matter so much to you that you have to resort to this sort of name-calling?
>>>
>>> In addition he has also contributed a GUI library (which is more than I can claim!), so I think he deserves to be treated as a valuable member of this community, not insulted!
>>>
>>> Ettienne
>>
>> Actually, development of DlangIDE is real life usage of DlangUI library.
>> It requires adding of new features into GUI library, helps to find/fix bugs, etc.
>>
>> I don't assume any IDE with missing debugging support as suitable for development.
>> So I'm not as a masochist as needed to use such tool.
>> Code completion and reference lookup is great but is not used unless IDE is used for development.
>>
>> Now DlangIDE is more a demo of DlangUI features.
>
> Sorry. with the DCD 0.7.5 release i camp on my position. You don't use it. You don't seem to get my position...It's totally impossible not to find a bug, even a small thing...when you use it.
>
> ;)

B.T.W don't worry Vadim. You're not the lone hypocrite among the plugin writer. I say this I say nothing...

Actually what I say looks agressive. But I dare that this is what I think when I find a bug: "Those fucking hypocrites don't even use it". Each time, I hate you more.

On Friday, 15 January 2016 at 20:30:50 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
> On Friday, 15 January 2016 at 20:03:01 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
>> On Friday, 6 November 2015 at 06:07:16 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 22:16:19 UTC, Ettienne Gilbert wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015 at 20:14:21 UTC, BBasile wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What's goin'on is that I've demonstrated that Vadim doesn't use its own software.
>>>>> The basic idea is that you can't use DCD at the "plugin-level" without finding any bug at all. In front of this idea, Vadim has never reported any DCD bug. So I strongly susptec him to be an hypocrit.
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> You know, your language is really a bit too strong!
>>>>
>>>> Even if you are right (I don't actually know) and even it would be _much preferable_ if Vadim would use his own IDE, and even if it would be nice if he would report any DCD bugs he finds, why the name-calling?
>>>>
>>>> A hypocrite: "...a person whose actions belie stated beliefs".
>>>>
>>>> Did he actually state anywhere he uses his IDE for his normal coding every day? I cannot find any posting to that effect - so are you not jumping to conclusions here? DlangIDE may well just still be a work-in-progress for him as well. Maybe he has not fully figured out if the DCD problems were on his side or on DCD's. Maybe he has a list of DCD issues he will report in due time. Maybe he had personal reasons that kept him away from DLangIDE for awhile...  Why does it matter so much to you that you have to resort to this sort of name-calling?
>>>>
>>>> In addition he has also contributed a GUI library (which is more than I can claim!), so I think he deserves to be treated as a valuable member of this community, not insulted!
>>>>
>>>> Ettienne
>>>
>>> Actually, development of DlangIDE is real life usage of DlangUI library.
>>> It requires adding of new features into GUI library, helps to find/fix bugs, etc.
>>>
>>> I don't assume any IDE with missing debugging support as suitable for development.
>>> So I'm not as a masochist as needed to use such tool.
>>> Code completion and reference lookup is great but is not used unless IDE is used for development.
>>>
>>> Now DlangIDE is more a demo of DlangUI features.
>>
>> Sorry. with the DCD 0.7.5 release i camp on my position. You don't use it. You don't seem to get my position...It's totally impossible not to find a bug, even a small thing...when you use it.
>>
>> ;)
>
> B.T.W don't worry Vadim. You're not the lone hypocrite among the plugin writer. I say this I say nothing...
>
> Actually what I say looks agressive. But I dare that this is what I think when I find a bug: "Those fucking hypocrites don't even use it". Each time, I hate you more.

Basile can't you see that the idea behind dlangide is the solution for that problem? dlangide is written in D, easy to hack and build, so every dprogrammer can help to improve it. I already did and i am only a beginner in d.

For me having an ide written in the language of the programmer is like the spirit of open source - i strongly belive in it and i thank Vadim for going that path for the us. For me Dlangide is a game changer. Yes it's not finish and sometime it's still pain to use it but things improving faster with each user. And yes i am using dlangide to hack dlangide!

What about you using dlangide and makeing it perfect?! It is realy a plesure to work with vadim and enouph room for improvements!

So for me now finding bugs is kind of fun(not kidding), a chance to fix something important! No more hating "hypocrites"- lets say using dlangide gives you more controle.

Kind regards keywan

On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 07:09:10 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:

> I would like to see any feedback.
> Submit your bug reports and feature requests as issues on GitHub.
> Pull requests are welcomed.
>
> Let's discuss further improvements to make it usable in real projects.

A first step is to organize instead of being detailed. Maybe you could consider what type of feedback or goals for feedback you want.

An important note is that the use of the word "usable" is not equal of being able to run the program and is what I think inspired criticism on the project. That's one aspect of Open Source that nobody mentions, the lack of direction.

The lack of direction seems to be what is not letting you have new ideas for the project and you are discussing "features" in development and not "technical" pursuit. Sticking to say "I failed to implement Debugging" and not why you failed stating the approach that you took well, says a lot...

I would just say : "Hack it and if you get it to make sandwiches then make me one"