It seems like its been too long since I posted asking for GSOC help.

The start of submissions for the 2015 Google Summer of Code is fast approaching,
so once again I would like to approach the community for some assistance. My immediate needs are:

1) I need a volunteer for 'backup' administrator.  This is a requirement, so I really
need someone to volunteer for this position, which with a little luck will require
exactly 0 work, and will bring you great honour and prestige.


2) DigitalMars is listed as the mentoring orgnaization.  Should we register rather
as dlang.org?

3) QML.  The QML project is very thin, and unless it can be improved it will
need to be dropped.  Recently there was a QML project posted on the Announce list:

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/hapeegrotkazppwdnstk@forum.dlang.org

This might be a good starting point for a student project, if the developer of
this project is interested in mentoring, but I haven't been able to get a hold of
him/her. Does anyone know how to get in touch with 'filcuc'.

4) Extra polishing is welcome on any of the ideas sections.  In particular I
wanted to have a "It is Good To Know" section indicating what students should
know (or be expected to learn).  Some of these are fairly well filled out,
others are non-existant or sparse.  The ideas page is at:

http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_2015_Ideas


5) If you are a mentor, I've tried to make a bio's page for mentors. It can
be seen here:

http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_mentors

If you are a mentor please consider filling your bio out.  I've dug up stuff
off the web/old D Conf bio's, etc on a few of you, but it would be nice if folks
could edit their own.

6) We could still use maybe one (or two) more solid ideas.  If you are working
on some cool project related to the D ecosystem, and think a student could help you (and you could help
them) we could maybe add your idea to the list.  Especially if we end up
dropping QML.

7) If we are approved we will need to form a committee to evaluate the student
proposals that will undoubtedly flood in ...  any volunteers for that duty!  It should likely include the mentors, but they might be biased, so some folks outside the mentors group would be nice.

On 30/01/2015 5:32 p.m., Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
> It seems like its been too long since I posted asking for GSOC help.
>
> The start of submissions for the 2015 Google Summer of Code is fast
> approaching,
> so once again I would like to approach the community for some
> assistance. My immediate needs are:
>
> 1) I need a volunteer for 'backup' administrator.  This is a
> requirement, so I really
> need someone to volunteer for this position, which with a little luck
> will require
> exactly 0 work, and will bring you great honour and prestige.
>
>
> 2) DigitalMars is listed as the mentoring orgnaization.  Should we
> register rather
> as dlang.org?

Walter? are you ok with it being DigitalMars?

> 3) QML.  The QML project is very thin, and unless it can be improved it
> will
> need to be dropped.  Recently there was a QML project posted on the
> Announce list:
>
> http://forum.dlang.org/thread/hapeegrotkazppwdnstk@forum.dlang.org
>
> This might be a good starting point for a student project, if the
> developer of
> this project is interested in mentoring, but I haven't been able to get
> a hold of
> him/her. Does anyone know how to get in touch with 'filcuc'.
>
> 4) Extra polishing is welcome on any of the ideas sections.  In
> particular I
> wanted to have a "It is Good To Know" section indicating what students
> should
> know (or be expected to learn).  Some of these are fairly well filled out,
> others are non-existant or sparse.  The ideas page is at:
>
> http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_2015_Ideas
>
>
> 5) If you are a mentor, I've tried to make a bio's page for mentors. It can
> be seen here:
>
> http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_mentors
>
> If you are a mentor please consider filling your bio out.  I've dug up
> stuff
> off the web/old D Conf bio's, etc on a few of you, but it would be nice
> if folks
> could edit their own.
>
> 6) We could still use maybe one (or two) more solid ideas.  If you are
> working
> on some cool project related to the D ecosystem, and think a student
> could help you (and you could help
> them) we could maybe add your idea to the list.  Especially if we end up
> dropping QML.

Based upon what I was saying for getting window creation library in phobos.
We need a good image library. This is another blocker. Requires color definition so it might be included depending on how Manu goes.
Also could be useful is cross platform sound output.
Printing?

> 7) If we are approved we will need to form a committee to evaluate the
> student
> proposals that will undoubtedly flood in ...  any volunteers for that
> duty!  It should likely include the mentors, but they might be biased,
> so some folks outside the mentors group would be nice.

Count me in.

On 01/30/2015 05:32 AM, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
> It seems like its been too long since I posted asking for GSOC help.

I was just about to ask how things are going :).
Thanks a lot, the page looks much better than in recent years.
http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_2015_Ideas

> 1) I need a volunteer for 'backup' administrator.  This is a
> requirement, so I really
> need someone to volunteer for this position, which with a little luck
> will require
> exactly 0 work, and will bring you great honour and prestige.

What administration tasks? I might be able to do this.

> 2) DigitalMars is listed as the mentoring orgnaization.  Should we
> register rather
> as dlang.org?

There has been some discussion about a D foundation a few month ago.
As far as I remember people where shying away from the legal complications, so that won't change any time soon.

On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 13:47:10 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
> On 01/30/2015 05:32 AM, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
>> It seems like its been too long since I posted asking for GSOC help.
>
> I was just about to ask how things are going :).
> Thanks a lot, the page looks much better than in recent years.
> http://wiki.dlang.org/GSOC_2015_Ideas

Thanks

>
>> 1) I need a volunteer for 'backup' administrator.  This is a
>> requirement, so I really
>> need someone to volunteer for this position, which with a little luck
>> will require
>> exactly 0 work, and will bring you great honour and prestige.
>
> What administration tasks? I might be able to do this.

I am still getting up to speed on this.  I've been mostly focused on the proposal/ideas page up to this point. Again, the backup is just in case I can't fulfil my duties for whatever reason. Of course if someone wants to take on this role and be more involved I would be very glad to work together.  The following site gives a run down on the duties of the administrator.

http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/managing-the-mentors/


>
>> 2) DigitalMars is listed as the mentoring orgnaization.  Should we
>> register rather
>> as dlang.org?
>
> There has been some discussion about a D foundation a few month ago.
> As far as I remember people where shying away from the legal complications, so that won't change any time soon.

Makes sense.

On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 04:37:14 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> On 30/01/2015 5:32 p.m., Craig Dillabaugh wrote:

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>>
>> 6) We could still use maybe one (or two) more solid ideas.  If you are
>> working
>> on some cool project related to the D ecosystem, and think a student
>> could help you (and you could help
>> them) we could maybe add your idea to the list.  Especially if we end up
>> dropping QML.
>
> Based upon what I was saying for getting window creation library in phobos.
> We need a good image library. This is another blocker. Requires color definition so it might be included depending on how Manu goes.
> Also could be useful is cross platform sound output.
> Printing?

Hey, you are already doing web development!  Do you not sleep or something?

I think for GSOC we need to have projects that are at least up and running, and provide them with something to work off of.  This effort (Window Creation/Image Library) stills seems very much in the 'conception' phase, and my personal feeling is that until the exact goals are fleshed out a bit more it would be a shaky platform for a GSOC project.

There is the following project however:

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/szqsscsvcbpjjeelkpve@forum.dlang.org

How is that related to what you are proposing?  Maybe Vadim could be enticed to sign up as a mentor?

>

>> 7) If we are approved we will need to form a committee to evaluate the
>> student
>> proposals that will undoubtedly flood in ...  any volunteers for that
>> duty!  It should likely include the mentors, but they might be biased,
>> so some folks outside the mentors group would be nice.
>
> Count me in.

Great. If our application is accepted you will be the first on my 'Evaluation Committee' list.

On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 14:24:46 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote:
> On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 04:37:14 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> Based upon what I was saying for getting window creation library in phobos.
>> We need a good image library. This is another blocker. Requires color definition so it might be included depending on how Manu goes.
>> Also could be useful is cross platform sound output.
>> Printing?
>
> Hey, you are already doing web development!  Do you not sleep or something?

lol, he might be just about as crazy as me... I've already written all that. In here:

http://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd

there's the web stuff, simpledisplay.d is a window lib, color.d (especially plus png.d and bmp.d) is a basic image thing, and simpleaudio.d does cross platform sound.


I'm not sure any of my stuff would pass the phobos bar, but it all works well for a lot of things I've done. minigui.d builds off simpledisplay.d to do some gui widgets (still needs a lot of work though), and I'm working on doing some games with it too (simpledisplay.d can make a opengl context easily).

On 1/30/15 5:46 AM, Martin Nowak wrote:
> There has been some discussion about a D foundation a few month ago.
> As far as I remember people where shying away from the legal
> complications, so that won't change any time soon.

That won't happen at least until later in the year. -- Andrei

On 31/01/2015 3:24 a.m., CraigDillabaugh wrote:
> On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 04:37:14 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> On 30/01/2015 5:32 p.m., Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
>
> clip
>>>
>>> 6) We could still use maybe one (or two) more solid ideas.  If you are
>>> working
>>> on some cool project related to the D ecosystem, and think a student
>>> could help you (and you could help
>>> them) we could maybe add your idea to the list.  Especially if we end up
>>> dropping QML.
>>
>> Based upon what I was saying for getting window creation library in
>> phobos.
>> We need a good image library. This is another blocker. Requires color
>> definition so it might be included depending on how Manu goes.
>> Also could be useful is cross platform sound output.
>> Printing?
>
> Hey, you are already doing web development!  Do you not sleep or something?

I do sleep, a lot actually ;)

> I think for GSOC we need to have projects that are at least up and
> running, and provide them with something to work off of. This effort
> (Window Creation/Image Library) stills seems very much in the
> 'conception' phase, and my personal feeling is that until the exact
> goals are fleshed out a bit more it would be a shaky platform for a GSOC
> project.

Window creation isn't conception. Its a very nice reality :)
I was just throwing it out there however about an image library. In case somebody wanted to mentor for it.

> There is the following project however:
>
> http://forum.dlang.org/thread/szqsscsvcbpjjeelkpve@forum.dlang.org
>
> How is that related to what you are proposing?  Maybe Vadim could be
> enticed to sign up as a mentor?

We're not ready to start working on GUI's. We need to get the base libraries like image done first. They are far more important!

On 31/01/2015 3:30 a.m., Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 14:24:46 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote:
>> On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 04:37:14 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>>> Based upon what I was saying for getting window creation library in
>>> phobos.
>>> We need a good image library. This is another blocker. Requires color
>>> definition so it might be included depending on how Manu goes.
>>> Also could be useful is cross platform sound output.
>>> Printing?
>>
>> Hey, you are already doing web development!  Do you not sleep or
>> something?
>
> lol, he might be just about as crazy as me... I've already written all
> that. In here:
>
> http://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd
>
> there's the web stuff, simpledisplay.d is a window lib, color.d
> (especially plus png.d and bmp.d) is a basic image thing, and
> simpleaudio.d does cross platform sound.
>
>
> I'm not sure any of my stuff would pass the phobos bar, but it all works
> well for a lot of things I've done. minigui.d builds off simpledisplay.d
> to do some gui widgets (still needs a lot of work though), and I'm
> working on doing some games with it too (simpledisplay.d can make a
> opengl context easily).

I don't think my image library would pass it either. But windowing yes definitely. Hence why I'm saying we will most likely need a new image library for phobos.

Although in saying this, it might be worth my time at some point to invest in major refactoring and improvements to your sound module. Push it out as Devisualization.sound or something.
Then again that would mean file formats like mp3 loading/saving would be needed. Suddenly just the graphical stuff seems hard enough.

On Friday, 30 January 2015 at 14:11:27 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote:
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/managing-the-mentors/

Sounds good, count me in.