On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 05:48:59AM +0000, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 14:38:54 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
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> > > On Saturday, 23 May 2020 at 17:34:21 UTC, aberba wrote:
> > > > Yeah, https://www.zdnet.com/article/chrome-70-of-all-security-bugs-are-memory-safety-issues/
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> > Notable from the article is that both Microsoft and Google are seriously looking into alternative programming languages.  I think we're looking at the beginning of the end of the long reign of C/C++ in the programming landscape. Maybe in about 20-30 years' time C/C++ will become relics in the dustbin of history...
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> It will still take ages, Google and Microsoft are also heavyweights on ISO C++, and collaborating on C++ lifetime analysis and C++ Core Guidelines.
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> Hence Project Verona and Checked C from Microsoft as well.

Well OK, maybe 20-30 years is a bit optimistic.  But I think this is the start of a general trend to gradually move away from C/C++ towards safer and less painful languages to work with. The other big user of C++ I know of is the game industry, and AFAICT the sentiment there is also that C++ is merely a necessary evil, but they'd jump ship in a heartbeat if a viable competitor comes along.


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On Monday, 25 May 2020 at 17:38:13 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 05:48:59AM +0000, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> On Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 14:38:54 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> [...]
>> > > On Saturday, 23 May 2020 at 17:34:21 UTC, aberba wrote:
>> > > > Yeah, https://www.zdnet.com/article/chrome-70-of-all-security-bugs-are-memory-safety-issues/
> [...]
>> > Notable from the article is that both Microsoft and Google are seriously looking into alternative programming languages.  I think we're looking at the beginning of the end of the long reign of C/C++ in the programming landscape. Maybe in about 20-30 years' time C/C++ will become relics in the dustbin of history...
> [...]
>> It will still take ages, Google and Microsoft are also heavyweights on ISO C++, and collaborating on C++ lifetime analysis and C++ Core Guidelines.
>> 
>> Hence Project Verona and Checked C from Microsoft as well.
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> Well OK, maybe 20-30 years is a bit optimistic.  But I think this is the start of a general trend to gradually move away from C/C++ towards safer and less painful languages to work with. The other big user of C++ I know of is the game industry, and AFAICT the sentiment there is also that C++ is merely a necessary evil, but they'd jump ship in a heartbeat if a viable competitor comes along.
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Sure, for example Rust had four sessions at Build 2020, and has now official support for WinUI/UWP going forward with Project Reunion (reunification of Wi32/UWP worlds).

C# seems to have gotten that spot for game developers, many of the C# improvements for lowlevel coding seem to be coming from Midori learning and collaboration with Unity, CryEngine and Godot.

D got have had this spot, but somehow the opportunity it had was lost.

In any case, we are now finally at the beginning of the mentality shift that these kind of unsafe programming doesn't scale, which is why I think it will still take more than our lifetimes. Hopefully others will carry on pushing for safer systems.