On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 18:22 +0000, Dibyendu Majumdar via Digitalmars-d-
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> So why was Java successful? It was not compatible with an existing language.

Java has a weird history compared to other languages. It switched from white goods programming language to browser programming language just at the moment a large number of academics world wide were getting dissatisfied with Pascal/C/C++/Scheme/Miranda/OCaml as the set of languages to choose from to teach first year programming. It very rapidly failed as a browser language, but switched wonderfully quickly to be a virtual machine based general programming language. Timing is everything here… a large number of academic jumped on the Java bandwagon, so a large number of undergraduates were forced to learn it. There was a period in late 1990s and early 2000s when every CS graduate knew Java, and, to the eternal shame of academics, no other programming language.

The second part of the success, at least in London, was the dissatisfaction of many in the finance industry with Smalltalk. They saw Java, and the number of Java programmers being produced by academic and switched to Java. The rest, as they say, is history.

> Neither Rust nor Go are compatible with C++.
> Rust, D and Go are all compatible with C in some sense.

C is the portable assembly language of computing, any high level programming language that cannot use C APIs is a dead language.

> Basically Herb is claiming to succeed a language must be able to be a drop in replacement for C++ in a mix-match way. I think it is a fallacy.

Herb does have a (not exactly) hidden agenda that C++ is the one true
programming language.

> There is no single recipe that will make a language successful.

Very true.

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On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 13:28 +0000, Abdulhaq via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
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> Herb Sutter is a national treasure, C++ has become bearable, nay even useful, under his stewardship and that is really saying something....

s/national/international/

Herb's closing keynote at ACCU 2017 was a joy to be in, even as a C++ disliker. The energy he generated in the mostly pro-C++ audience was astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nsyX37nsRs&list=PL9hrFapz4dsMQuBQTnHXogJpMj6L_EQ10

I should add the questions went on for over an hour after the talk. I only
brought it to an end so that people could go home – and the hotel and A/V
staff could clear up. Even then Herb was another 20 or 30 minutes answering
further questions as the room around them was disassembled.

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Russel.
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Dr Russel Winder      t: +44 20 7585 2200
41 Buckmaster Road    m: +44 7770 465 077
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk