On 21 February 2012 23:29, Kagamin <spam@here.lot> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 21 February 2012 at 00:53:51 UTC, James Miller wrote:
>>
>> There are a potentially infinite number of possible configurations, and sites need to be aimed at the lowest-common denominator. Doesn't look right with an enlarged font size? Tough.
>
>
> So the joke about "standard font size" isn't a joke?

Its more, if you are using a font with a massive difference in size, then obviously things aren't going to look right. However, if a website require pixel-perfect rendering, then it isn't going to work anyway once it hits a platform that isn't the one the designer works on. I'm not advocating that websites should be rigid, more that complaining that the site doesn't work under /your/ specific settings is really not fair to the developer.

>> I'm pretty sure that making a website work in all browsers and all configurations is a punishment in hell for IE developers...

>> --
>> James Miller

> I completely agree. And it's hell for you when you're forced to support IE because more than 50% of the customers use IE.

if I have to type <!--[if IE 6]> ever again it will be too soon (we kinda support IE7, and actually support IE8+9)
--
James Miller

On Tuesday, 21 February 2012 at 00:53:51 UTC, James Miller wrote:
> Doesn't look right with an enlarged font size? Tough.

It's a question of gain per effort. Issues due to non-standard font sizes seem to come up often enough to warrant investigating, and I admit I've completely disregarded this during development (zooming in on my browser changes the size of px as well as em).

I can't Private Message you so I'm just going to say it out loud.

If you guys are planning a forum software solution. And your
emphasis is on "d" I would buy dBulletin.com It's for sale to the
highest bidder.

I originally found this domain from this site:
http://www.webmarketingtalk.com/


So get in there and negotiate!

"James Miller" <james@aatch.net> wrote in message news:mailman.775.1329824618.20196.digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com...
>
>> I completely agree. And it's hell for you when you're forced to support IE because more than 50% of the customers use IE.
>
> if I have to type <!--[if IE 6]> ever again it will be too soon (we kinda support IE7, and actually support IE8+9)

Heh, I support IE7 largely because I can't stand IE8 and I can't even run IE9 on my (XP) machine. ;)

Plus, it's a pain to have multiple versions of IE installed (if even possible), so may as well use the oldest one that I'd conceivably want to support (Although VirtualBox mitigates this a bit).

Of course, that said, I'm not likely to bend over backwards for minor IE7 rendering issues, particularly on sites that aren't directed at the average-Joe masses (ie, the most likely ones to be using IE).

I don't support IE6 though, and I also don't support versions of IE that have that short-lived "Click to activate this control" thing (I tried to, but it just wasn't worth it).

On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 02:12:54 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Plus, it's a pain to have multiple versions of IE installed (if

You don't need it! IE's compatibility mode is very good,
including emulating old bugs.

If you turn on compatibility mode you can tell pretty well
if your site will work in the real thing.

"dbulletin" <dbulletin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nvmhanxzfuqgnrrjiibd@forum.dlang.org...
>I can't Private Message you so I'm just going to say it out loud.
>
> If you guys are planning a forum software solution. And your emphasis is on "d" I would buy dBulletin.com It's for sale to the highest bidder.
>
> I originally found this domain from this site: http://www.webmarketingtalk.com/
>
>
> So get in there and negotiate!
>

If money's going to be spent on D, I'm sure there are far better places it can go than paying a domain ransom.

"Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rloaxnvvdpjetpgudrga@forum.dlang.org...
> On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 02:12:54 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> Plus, it's a pain to have multiple versions of IE installed (if
>
> You don't need it! IE's compatibility mode is very good, including emulating old bugs.
>
> If you turn on compatibility mode you can tell pretty well if your site will work in the real thing.

Really? I didn't know there was such a thing. Is this a setting in one of the (*cough*increasingly hidden*cough*) options screens, or something you add to the HTML?

On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 02:21:22 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Really? I didn't know there was such a thing. Is this a setting in one of
> the (*cough*increasingly hidden*cough*) options screens, or something you
> add to the HTML?

You can get it both ways. X-UA-Compatible in html (or something
like that, bing it!) or hit the F12 key in the ui.

This was added in IE8, though, you can get it as a separate download
I think in 6 and 7.

F12 in IE8 and 9 opens up the developer tools window, which has
script errors, debugging, network stats, html and css browsers,
and, compatibility mode as a button right there.

Its awesome. IE9 is my fav browser ever as a web developer.

On 2012-02-22 03:11, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "James Miller"<james@aatch.net>  wrote in message
> news:mailman.775.1329824618.20196.digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com...
>>
>>> I completely agree. And it's hell for you when you're forced to support
>>> IE because more than 50% of the customers use IE.
>>
>> if I have to type<!--[if IE 6]>  ever again it will be too soon (we
>> kinda support IE7, and actually support IE8+9)
>
> Heh, I support IE7 largely because I can't stand IE8 and I can't even run
> IE9 on my (XP) machine. ;)
>
> Plus, it's a pain to have multiple versions of IE installed (if even
> possible), so may as well use the oldest one that I'd conceivably want to
> support (Although VirtualBox mitigates this a bit).
>
> Of course, that said, I'm not likely to bend over backwards for minor IE7
> rendering issues, particularly on sites that aren't directed at the
> average-Joe masses (ie, the most likely ones to be using IE).
>
> I don't support IE6 though, and I also don't support versions of IE that
> have that short-lived "Click to activate this control" thing (I tried to,
> but it just wasn't worth it).

Microsoft provides free downloads of VirtualPC machines for testing websites with IE. One virtual machine for each version of IE, but you can't save anything on them for more than 90 days, or something like that:

http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=11575

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 21/02/2012 00:53, James Miller wrote:
<snip>
> There are a potentially infinite number of possible configurations,
> and sites need to be aimed at the lowest-common denominator. Doesn't
> look right with an enlarged font size? Tough.
<snip>

Try saying that in court when you're sued for disability discrimination.

Stewart.