May 27, 2010
Don wrote:
> Stewart Gordon wrote:
<snip>
>> Peculiarly, nothing with a WONTFIX resolution has any votes.
> 
> I think hardly anything has ever been closed with WONTFIX.

I get 61 as I look.  At the moment, about 7.5% of bugs filed here have any votes, so I'm not sure that 61 counts as hardly anything.

Stewart.
May 27, 2010
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
<snip>
> Indeed, it would be nice if bugzilla reminded you that you have votes for closed bugs.  Every time I go to vote for a bug, I remove my votes from any closed bugs (which are obvious with the strikethrough text).  But I don't notice that until I go to vote for one.  If it reminded me every time I logged in that I have votes for closed bugs, then I might pay better attention.

Why do you feel the need to remove your votes from closed bugs when you're not about to place one on another bug?

This has been discussed extensively on Mozilla's own bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27553

Stewart.
May 27, 2010
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:34:38 -0400, Don <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> 
>> Votes however are definitely not ignored.
>> If you search bugzilla, you'll find that there are 86 closed bugs which
>> still have votes for them! Compared with 228 open bugs.
>> So the votes themeselves are far from up-to-date.
> 
> Indeed, it would be nice if bugzilla reminded you that you have votes for closed bugs.  Every time I go to vote for a bug, I remove my votes from any closed bugs (which are obvious with the strikethrough text).  But I don't notice that until I go to vote for one.  If it reminded me every time I logged in that I have votes for closed bugs, then I might pay better attention.
> 
> -Steve

What is the purpose of votes for closed bugs anyway? Should they not just get removed automatically?

May 27, 2010
Lutger wrote:
> Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:34:38 -0400, Don <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Votes however are definitely not ignored.
>>> If you search bugzilla, you'll find that there are 86 closed bugs which
>>> still have votes for them! Compared with 228 open bugs.
>>> So the votes themeselves are far from up-to-date.
>> Indeed, it would be nice if bugzilla reminded you that you have votes for
>> closed bugs.  Every time I go to vote for a bug, I remove my votes from
>> any closed bugs (which are obvious with the strikethrough text).  But I
>> don't notice that until I go to vote for one.  If it reminded me every
>> time I logged in that I have votes for closed bugs, then I might pay
>> better attention.
>>
>> -Steve
> 
> What is the purpose of votes for closed bugs anyway? Should they not just get removed automatically?

The bug might get reopened?

May 27, 2010
On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:09:48 -0400, Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> <snip>
>> Indeed, it would be nice if bugzilla reminded you that you have votes for closed bugs.  Every time I go to vote for a bug, I remove my votes from any closed bugs (which are obvious with the strikethrough text).  But I don't notice that until I go to vote for one.  If it reminded me every time I logged in that I have votes for closed bugs, then I might pay better attention.
>
> Why do you feel the need to remove your votes from closed bugs when you're not about to place one on another bug?
>
> This has been discussed extensively on Mozilla's own bugzilla:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27553

I don't feel like pouring through a bugzilla discussion, but the reason is because I may have gone to vote for an issue, but found I was out of votes, and I want to keep my existing ones (or I had to cancel another bug vote in order to vote for the new one).  At a later time when one of my voted-for bugs gets resolved, then I can vote for the issue I couldn't vote on, or removed my vote from.

To this end, if bugzilla could remember bugs I "unofficially" voted for, that would be good too :)

-Steve
May 27, 2010
Lutger wrote:
<snip>
> What is the purpose of votes for closed bugs anyway? Should they not just get removed automatically?

On top of the reasons linked to in my previous reply:

- Many of us would probably like to be able to see which bugs they voted for have recently been fixed.
- Resolving a bug would reset its vote count to zero.  And so if it's reopened, voting would have to start again from scratch.
- As such, an unscrupulous person could remove all votes from a bug just by marking it resolved.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308505

Stewart.
May 27, 2010
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
<snip>
> I don't feel like pouring through a bugzilla discussion, but the reason is because I may have gone to vote for an issue, but found I was out of votes, and I want to keep my existing ones (or I had to cancel another bug vote in order to vote for the new one).  At a later time when one of my voted-for bugs gets resolved, then I can vote for the issue I couldn't vote on, or removed my vote from.

The best way to deal with that, IMO, would be for the bugmail to include a note like "You have voted for this bug" when the bug is resolved.  If it were done by an alert when you log in, either it would lose its effect or you would have to waste time checking the list to see whether it's just the same bug(s) that you've deliberately left your vote on as before.

Stewart.
May 28, 2010
On 26/05/2010 21:14, Masahiro Nakagawa wrote:
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:50:14 +0900, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> 
>> We've had a tremendous infusion of talent and energy in Phobos, and lately work has picked up in unprecedented ways, both in terms of new features and bug fixes. I can't say how happy I am about that!
>>
>> At the end of this starting week, on Friday May 28, TDPL will be out on trucks to bookstores.
>>
>> Let's make this week a bug fixing week for both dmd and Phobos, and issue a release on Monday. We're going public!
>>
>>
>> Andrei
> 
> I think we need improvement of DDoc.
> Current DDoc doesn't keep up with D Spec(e.g. ignore @attribute, pure,
> etc...).

I very much agree with this.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
May 28, 2010
Lutger Wrote:

> What is the purpose of votes for closed bugs anyway? Should they not just get removed automatically?
> 
I would love if bugs get fixed automatically.
May 28, 2010
Bruno Medeiros さんは書きました:
> On 26/05/2010 21:14, Masahiro Nakagawa wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:50:14 +0900, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
>>
>>> We've had a tremendous infusion of talent and energy in Phobos, and lately work has picked up in unprecedented ways, both in terms of new features and bug fixes. I can't say how happy I am about that!
>>>
>>> At the end of this starting week, on Friday May 28, TDPL will be out on trucks to bookstores.
>>>
>>> Let's make this week a bug fixing week for both dmd and Phobos, and issue a release on Monday. We're going public!
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrei
>> I think we need improvement of DDoc.
>> Current DDoc doesn't keep up with D Spec(e.g. ignore @attribute, pure,
>> etc...).
> 
> I very much agree with this.
> 

I agree too.
DDoc really lacks details of D2's key features. And those features are
not used even in Phobos.
Therefore, the features that does not understand how to use.
In particular, I paid attention to shared, but I could  not have any
good idea.
Please make key features clear, and describe documentation.
Otherwise, no one will bring even one problem up.

I let Phobos support @safe, and I enumerated some problems last time.
See also: http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/phobos/2010-May/000488.html
Following this, shared, Range, pure, nothrow, etc...  should be used in
fact, too, and should be evaluated.