On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 17:05:40 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 17:02:05 UTC, Avrina wrote:
>
>> "It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last."
>
> If the community came last for me, I wouldn't be doing the work I do. I'd be focusing on my own projects. So try again.

What kind of posts are you willing to accept?

On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 19:57:36 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote:
> No, that's not right to say just for a hyperlink! Show some appreciation and kindness please. If we don't have anything nice to say, it's better not to say anything at all.

True that! Mike has been doing many thankless jobs such as:
- running the D blog
- being in charge of the DIP process
- maintaining BindBC C bindings
- organizing DConf
- managing bug bounties
- helping people on the Learn forum and Discord
- probably more I'm not aware of

Instead of worrying about whether he should or shouldn't directly link to the HackerNews submission, let's take a moment to thank Mike for his work.

On 6/26/20 1:02 PM, Avrina wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 13:35:20 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 6/26/20 9:03 AM, Avrina wrote:
>>> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 05:37:13 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 11:55:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also submitted it to HN (please use the search box):
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
>>>>
>>>> This is a very interesting post. But this strategy with HN is clearly not working. 5 upvotes after 17 hours and 0 comments. Please paste the direct link in future even if the ranking goes down after a few hours. Some publicity is better than nothing at all.
>>>
>>> Here.
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23639552
>>>
>>> It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last.
>>
>> From https://wiredcraft.com/blog/how-to-post-on-hacker-news/:
>>
>> "Direct links to the post don’t allow people to vote. The link we have at the bottom of the post for example (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5200847) won’t work for upvoting. We need upvotes to be made from the newest page or the front page."
> 
> "It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last."

There's some massive misunderstanding here. Do you understand the reason he did not a post a simple link?

On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 14:02:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> But if you do want to vote, I'd like your vote to count.

I've seen no evidence that this strategy actually works. Appears totally random if a D post sticks around or not. And in a great many of these posts, people complain that they can't find the post at all which definitely doesn't help anything.

Are you sure it is worth it?

On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 23:25:00 UTC, Dennis wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 19:57:36 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote:
>> No, that's not right to say just for a hyperlink! Show some appreciation and kindness please. If we don't have anything nice to say, it's better not to say anything at all.
>
> True that! Mike has been doing many thankless jobs such as:
> - running the D blog
> - being in charge of the DIP process
> - maintaining BindBC C bindings
> - organizing DConf
> - managing bug bounties
> - helping people on the Learn forum and Discord
> - probably more I'm not aware of
>
> Instead of worrying about whether he should or shouldn't directly link to the HackerNews submission, let's take a moment to thank Mike for his work.

Don't forget moderating the newsgroups! Heck, managing DIPs and their discussions alone is worthy of gratitude. So thank you, Mike.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 03:27:14 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 14:02:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>> But if you do want to vote, I'd like your vote to count.
>
> I've seen no evidence that this strategy actually works. Appears totally random if a D post sticks around or not. And in a great many of these posts, people complain that they can't find the post at all which definitely doesn't help anything.

I haven't seen anyone complaining they can't find the posts, just that I don't provide the links.

It's three steps (two on a 4k monitor):

1. Go to https://news.ycombinator.com
2. Hit the 'End' key to get to the search box at the bottom of the page
3. Enter all or part of the blog post title in the search box

After that, it's in the browser history. I have never not been able to find the post doing this.

>
> Are you sure it is worth it?

Like I said above, there are other factors that determine a post's success on HN and it's always hit or miss. So far, I haven't been able to turn up any foolproof advice. But those who have attempted to crack the secret all say that if people are following direct links, it will definitely hinder the post's performance and a miss is pretty much guaranteed. The FAQ says clearly:

"Can I ask people to upvote my submission?

No. Users should vote for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote.

HN's software penalizes submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't."

Obviously, HN isn't going to scrape referring sites to check for people explicitly asking for upvotes. We know for certain that direct links disqualify upvotes, there's evidence to suggest that they account for indirect hits to a post from direct links to other parts of the site, and I can't find any information on if any of this is factored into the ranking algorithm in another way.

So yes, if people from this community want to monitor the comments on a HN site, I think it's worth it to ask them to take a couple of extra steps to do so in the interest of avoiding a negative impact on the post's ranking. If the post turns out to be a miss, it wasn't because of anything we did. If we do get lucky and hit the front page, then we've got more eyes on the post, our community members have more opportunity to share their experience, and we get (hopefully) a good PR day for D.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 03:56:58 UTC, Clarice wrote:

> Don't forget moderating the newsgroups! Heck, managing DIPs and their discussions alone is worthy of gratitude. So thank you, Mike.

Thanks Clarice! And Dennis!

On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 11:55:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> Simen Kjærås outlines an approach to supporting head-mutable types in D without the need for compiler or language changes.
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2020/06/25/a-pattern-for-head-mutable-structures/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/hfkq5e/a_pattern_for_headmutable_structures_in_d/
>
> I've also submitted it to HN (please use the search box):
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/newest

Good stuff. If this pattern will be accepted to language design the same way as Ranges API then Mir will adopt it to extend the current lightConst/lightImmutable features.

Ilya

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 02:42:13 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 6/26/20 1:02 PM, Avrina wrote:
>> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 13:35:20 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> On 6/26/20 9:03 AM, Avrina wrote:
>>>> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 05:37:13 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 11:55:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also submitted it to HN (please use the search box):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very interesting post. But this strategy with HN is clearly not working. 5 upvotes after 17 hours and 0 comments. Please paste the direct link in future even if the ranking goes down after a few hours. Some publicity is better than nothing at all.
>>>>
>>>> Here.
>>>>
>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23639552
>>>>
>>>> It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last.
>>>
>>> From https://wiredcraft.com/blog/how-to-post-on-hacker-news/:
>>>
>>> "Direct links to the post don’t allow people to vote. The link we have at the bottom of the post for example (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5200847) won’t work for upvoting. We need upvotes to be made from the newest page or the front page."
>> 
>> "It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last."
>
> There's some massive misunderstanding here. Do you understand the reason he did not a post a simple link?

Do you understand what prioritizing is? Fake internet points are being prioritized over ease of access to the community.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:06:12 UTC, Avrina wrote:
>
> Do you understand what prioritizing is? Fake internet points are being prioritized over ease of access to the community.

Another way to frame it is that "respecting the rules of another community (HN) is being prioritized over a minor convenience for the D community."

If we would like others to treat the D community with respect, I think it is only fair that we treat their communities with respect as well.