On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 10:58:01 UTC, Ethan Watson wrote:
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> I went to Tel Aviv in late 2012, around the time Hamas were trading missiles with the Israelis. There was a suicide bomb on a bus a few days before I arrived.
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> Yet I still had a much lower chance of being caught in such a blast than I do crossing the street and being hit by a truck. Actually being caught in a terrorist attack is a really low probability. Naively comparing the population of Istanbul to people killed or injured in the March 2016 attacks puts the probability of being in that blast somewhere around the same chances of choking on your food and dying.
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> Chalk me up as not seeing the point of terrorism hysteria.

It's not hysteria. Recently 10 tourists were killed while they were doing sight seeing. Given that as a foreigner you probably visit places of interest and are easily discernible the chances of becoming the target of an attack is much higher than for a local who commutes to work in an area of little touristic interest. You have to take the proximity to war zones into account too.

You cannot compare overall random risks (like being hit by a bus) with very specific risks. Tourists and foreigners are risk groups in certain parts of the world. I just don't see the point in chancing it only to prove that I'm cool. Also, in general you have better control over trucks, buses and your own food than over cowards who are trying to kill you unbeknownst to yourself. Traffic is organized and accidents _can_ happen, if things go wrong. Attacks are intentional and not ruled by chance (unlike a bus driver not being able to put in the brakes).

Numbers in statistics don't mean much without context.

As for the human rights issues, we really shouldn't go into this now, because we would only be opening a can of worms. And this is certainly not the purpose of this thread.

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:26:51 UTC, Chris wrote:
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Ok dude, you've not said anything worthwhile in this thread OMG terrorism and OMG Human right. None of this is relevant for DConf's next location.

You need to go now.

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:30:21 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:26:51 UTC, Chris wrote:
>> [...]
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> Ok dude, you've not said anything worthwhile in this thread OMG terrorism and OMG Human right. None of this is relevant for DConf's next location.
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Nothing, really? I've suggested a location (that has been upvoted by 2 or three people), provided a bit of information about the location (conference centers, accommodation). Have you read it, if not please educate yourself.

And I do think that security is relevant for DConf's next location.

I don't subscribe to hysteria, else I wouldn't leave the house. But why would I expose myself to a risk that's a) not worth taking, and b) while there are so many other beautiful locations to choose from?

> You need to go now.

I see. You hold the freedom of speech in high regard. Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Whatever happened to them?

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 04:02:52 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
> But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in Czech Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle of europe (it is called heart of europe). And even in Prague which is capital city of Czech Republic I am able to get room per $10. And it is not only accomodation but other things are really cheap here. For example beer price is only about $1 (btw czech beer is the best beer on the word). Public transport in Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.
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> Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me (one month salary including transport and accommodation).

Sorry, I'm just used to things being overpriced. Beer pretty much never costs $1 at a bar in NYC. Usually closer to $5-8. I've bought girls $15 cocktails.

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 14:13:00 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
> On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 04:02:52 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
>> But for people like me $90 per night is too much. I live in Czech Republic which is a really beautifull country in middle of europe (it is called heart of europe). And even in Prague which is capital city of Czech Republic I am able to get room per $10. And it is not only accomodation but other things are really cheap here. For example beer price is only about $1 (btw czech beer is the best beer on the word). Public transport in Prague for 3 days cost just only $15 and so on.
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>> Even dconf in Berlin (just 400km from me) is expensive for me (one month salary including transport and accommodation).
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> Sorry, I'm just used to things being overpriced. Beer pretty much never costs $1 at a bar in NYC. Usually closer to $5-8. I've bought girls $15 cocktails.

+1 from me for anywhere in the Czech Republic. It's a great country. Good food, cheap living, cheap and great beer, funny language (as long as you're Polish), nice people. In tourist areas you can easily get around with just English.

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 14:13:35 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> The atmosphere here is great, and I'm curious how it feels for those who are watching remotely. Is the experience good? What can we do better?
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> Also: we're talking about the DConf 2017 location. Please share any initial thoughts!
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> Thanks,
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> Andrei

Czech Republic sounds good.

Maybe Poland?
It is cheap there as well.

Whatever place you guys decide - as long as it is Europe I'm in :)
Visas are always PITA.

Best regards,
Damian Ziemba

Hi
What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more beergardens, ...
Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?

If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing tools?
Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.

Regards, Ozan

On 25/05/2016 11:30 PM, Ozan wrote:
> Hi
> What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more beergardens, ...
> Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?
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> If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing tools?
> Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.
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> Regards, Ozan

If we do paper submissions, we should work in with a preexisting journal (although I do love the idea!).

On Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 11:09:01 UTC, Manu wrote:
> Japan would be a great destination, it's quite convenient for Australia/NZ, west-coast US, and not toooooo bad for Europeans. But most importantly, Kenji would have no excuse not to come! :P

Is Kenji's identity and location known?

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 11:30:14 UTC, Ozan wrote:
> Hi
> What about Munich? - More sun, more IT companies, more beergardens, ...
> Maybe we can ask "Funkwerk Aktiengesellschaft" for sponsering?
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> If you calling for papers, what about using video conferencing tools?
> Not everybody is willing to travel far far away.
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> Regards, Ozan

+1 for Munich. Nice city, loads of IT too. A lot of airlines go to Munich. It's 30-40 minutes by train from the airport to the city center by train (S-Bahn). Public transport is quite good in Munich.