On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:54:29 +0000
Mike via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

> How does one submit a pull request to update the descriptions on the forum?  The forum doesn't seem to be part of dlang.org.
i think that we have to cast Cybershadow here. ;-)

On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 23:54:30 UTC, Mike wrote:
>
> How does one submit a pull request to update the descriptions on the forum?  The forum doesn't seem to be part of dlang.org.
>
> Should I have posted this question on D.Learn? :)

Nah just file it on the bug tracker, and someone will get to it
before 2070, haha.

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:06:06 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> i believe we can do both things to get even stronger effect. ;-)

The new layout:

digitalmars.d.questions
-----------------------
Get over yourself and ask already.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:10:02 +0000
Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

> The new layout:
> 
> digitalmars.d.questions
> -----------------------
> Get over yourself and ask already.
"...and we have cookies!"

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:18:40 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:10:02 +0000
> Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
>> The new layout:
>> 
>> digitalmars.d.questions
>> -----------------------
>> Get over yourself and ask already.
> "...and we have cookies!"

hahaha I think we finally solved it!

On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 22:46:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:
> Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
> assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
> in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). It'd
> be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" facade that newcomers tend to get.

The issues with installation have gone way down now that we have all these platform specific installers. It doesn't matter how "expert" you are, having an installation go wrong is very annoying.

In this particular case there is nothing to solution. We don't know any details about his problem, we don't know why he ended up in this newsgroup. He isn't going to help us identify any issues that we can address; and historically this has happened many times where someone just wants to complain because they didn't like the language to begin with.

On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 12:45:38 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
> On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 10:42:48 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
>> We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on the front page.
>> Such things really scare away a lot of people.
>
> All gcc, clang, ldc etc are installed in the same way: download zip, unpack, use. Not sure if it's documented anywhere (looks intuitive), it's just everything traditionally worked this way for ages.

Well then just write that on the download page and add a link to D.learn saying that this is the place to go when something doesn't work.
http://golang.org/doc/install

A smooth installation to hello world experience is of utmost importance for a good conversion funnel. How much time would someone spend on this after reading a wired article? What's the first impression someone gets from the D language when even the very first step is rough.

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:49:58 UTC, Jesse Phillips
wrote:
> On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 22:46:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:
>> Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
>> assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
>> in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). It'd
>> be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" facade that newcomers tend to get.
>
> The issues with installation have gone way down now that we have all these platform specific installers. It doesn't matter how "expert" you are, having an installation go wrong is very annoying.
>
> In this particular case there is nothing to solution. We don't know any details about his problem, we don't know why he ended up in this newsgroup. He isn't going to help us identify any issues that we can address; and historically this has happened many times where someone just wants to complain because they didn't like the language to begin with.

That's why I said "regardless of how futile it may be". Just by
the fact he put his name as frustrated alone, would give the
impression he doesn't want help. He's probably happier to say "D
doesn't work" than he would be to say he's doing something wrong,
and fix it. However, what would be much worse than losing a
potential D user, would be to lose a potential D user and have
had nobody ever try to help. A couple people made comments about
his incompetence, which, while amusing, were not particularly
helpful.
So, we should hope one of these times, when someone comes in
ready to scream about how "D doesn't work" or the like, they'll
see the assistance they get greeted with and hopefully respond to
the help and then attempt to alleviate their issues. Even, if
they don't stick around, atleast they won't leave with a bad
taste in their mouth and possibly try to dissuade other
potentials away from D.
(I suppose it's worth mentioning too, that I'm _very_ used to
"driveby complaints". Work as an admin on Counter-Strike server
for even a week and just see how many complaints you get in a
day. Most of them have nothing to do with you, or the server, and
yet you still end up getting the blame.. or the very least, if
lucky, just the earful about why they hate the game :P)

On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:
> Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
> It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
> and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
> of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for solutions
> that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
> I have to ask you:
> Why bother ?
> Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
> who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?

Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, although if you've started a nice think-tank about the problem...
Sorry. My bad.

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 19:33:45 UTC, Jkpl wrote:
> Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, although if you've started a nice think-tank about the problem...
> Sorry. My bad.

:/

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 19:33:45 UTC, Jkpl wrote:
> On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:
>> Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
>> It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
>> and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
>> of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for solutions
>> that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
>> I have to ask you:
>> Why bother ?
>> Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
>> who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?
>
> Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, although if you've started a nice think-tank about the problem...
> Sorry. My bad.

Regardless of me believing you or not, by what means was it a
joke? OP complains about technical difficulties, several people
offer assistance, then you arrive claim you laughed about the
whole thing and apologize.
I find it hard to believe there was any humor amongst any of
that, aside from the few jokes a couple people made.