On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
> We are one of them, and I am aiming to hire 20 people to write D over the next year or two.
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>
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> Laeeth

Do you have any open internships available for students and those
without college degrees?

On 6/14/20 2:54 PM, James Lu wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
>> We are one of them, and I am aiming to hire 20 people to write D over the next year or two.
>>
>> Laeeth
> 
> Do you have any open internships available for students and those
> without college degrees?

Yes to internships. (I don't know about the degree requirement.)

I should add that since recently I am also working with Laeeth. Obviously, Symmetry comes with my recommendation as a great place to work.

On 6/14/20 2:54 PM, James Lu wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
>> We are one of them, and I am aiming to hire 20 people to write D over the next year or two.
>>
>> Laeeth
> 
> Do you have any open internships available for students and those
> without college degrees?

Yes to internships. (I don't know about the degree requirement.)

I should add that since recently I am also working with Laeeth. Obviously, Symmetry comes with my recommendation as a great place to work.

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 18:54:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
>> We are one of them, and I am aiming to hire 20 people to write D over the next year or two.
>>
>>
>>
>> Laeeth
>
> Do you have any open internships available for students and those
> without college degrees?

Yes - please email laeeth at kaleidic dot io with bio and link to GitHub.   Degrees can be valuable in some cases but we don't insist on them.

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
>
> In 1958 the average lifespan of a company listed on the S&P 500 was 61 years.  In 2016 it was less than 18 years.  McKinsey believed then that by 2027 75% of companies listed at that time will have disappeared.
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> https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/articles/why-you-will-probably-live-longer-than-most-big-companies/

There might be new companies springing up, which has been quite normal in IT over the last couple of years. The fact that startups are founded everyday makes it more important for a programming language to be in line with industry standards that developers expect and depend on (e.g. stability, tooling, platform integration).

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> What happens to a language that is dominated by the sponsorship of a single company if the company disappears?  It is possible for it to survive, but it's going to be quite disruptive if the company support disappears over quite a short period of time.
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> Google, for example, has a big cash pile.  But it's core business is advertising and according to eBay personalised adverts cost 10x more, but are only 30% more effective.  What do you suppose is going to happen to advertising spend over the next twenty years should people become less materialistic, have less disposable income and decide that maybe their core product isn't worth what they currently do ?  Let's not discuss the appeal of such a company to the most talented engineers and how that might change.

Google is always mentioned in this context. However, it's the worst example, because everybody knows that one cannot depend on any projects started by Google. They might just kill it off next year. I don't know exactly why they do it and what their goals are, but I'm sure it pays in one way or another (attract investors, programmers, whatever). It looks like it's a strategy to put it mildly.

But you were talking about (single) company sponsorship. Symmetry is one of the two main corporate sponsors of D (the other one is Weka.io [1]). Symmetry it is a tech company, it deals with financial data. It's only natural that Symmetry's sponsorship would have an impact on how D's resources are used, i.e. the focus is on what servers Symmetry's interests. After all, Symmetry is hiring D programmers, many of them contributors and even members of the D Foundation like Tudor Andrei (not sure what status Atila Neves has now). This is fine.

On the other hand, people shouldn't wonder why D is not widely adopted (as in "Why didn't Microsoft..." etc.). D has become a special interest / niche language with a close-knit community, there is no room for the "bigger picture", no interest in bringing D into a shape that makes it fit for general purpose use throughout the IT industry, not just niches.

I only wish you communicated this clearly to the public.

> A language that is vital without large cash infusions from a single sponsor is really much more able to survive adverse conditions.  It's also better from that point of view if the companies that do use it are spread across a range of domains and stages of the process of production.



> D does have plenty of corporate users:
> https://dlang.org/orgs-using-d.html

The list has been quite static for years (very few newcomers).

> We are one of them, and I am aiming to hire 20 people to write D over the next year or two.
>

Good for you and D programmers. Would you also consider hiring programmers to develop tooling and IDE plugins etc for D? In my experience crucial parts of D are usually left to a "hero" or "champion" who steps up (unpaid of course) or to bounties. How about hiring a few programmers to work exclusively on D for a year or two?

[1] https://dlang.org/foundation/sponsors.html

On Monday, 15 June 2020 at 10:11:09 UTC, Chris wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 at 06:20:02 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
>>
>> In 1958 the average lifespan of a
> On the other hand, people shouldn't wonder why D is not widely adopted (as in "Why didn't Microsoft..." etc.). D has become a special interest / niche language with a close-knit community, there is no room for the "bigger picture", no interest in bringing D into a shape that makes it fit for general purpose use throughout the IT industry, not just niches.
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> [1] https://dlang.org/foundation/sponsors.html

Never knew companies like triplebyte have an interest in D.