On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 08:09:12 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2015-11-23 05:16, bachmeier wrote:
>
>> Okay. I'll do it tomorrow. The sidebar will be
>>
>> Download
>> Getting Started
>> Official Tutorial
>> Wiki
>> Change Log
>
> I think there should be a "Contribute" menu item at the top level.

I agree, but I do prefer "Get Involved" rather than "Contribute".

> Is it necessary to have "Change Log" at the top level? Is that perhaps better located in the download section?

I had the same thought but didn't want to push for so many changes here. This conversation shouldn't be buried inside a thread on a different topic. Ultimately, Andrei and Walter are the ones that decide what goes on the front page, but others will have an opinion.

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 08:09:12 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

> Is it necessary to have "Change Log" at the top level? Is that perhaps better located in the download section?

Actually, I just checked, and it's already in the download section. The top-level menu item could be deleted.

Am 20.11.2015 um 15:26 schrieb crimaniak:
> On Friday, 20 November 2015 at 13:57:16 UTC, David DeWitt wrote:
>
>> The "New Library Reference Preview" under Resources is much cleaner
>> and has comments.  I personally prefer the look of that resource. It
>> isn's updated and is on 2.067.1.
>   Don't works for me now, problem with
> http://dlang.org/library/symbols.js both Chromium and Firefox. I have to
> wait for timeout for every page - symbols.js end is not detected by
> browser so he is waiting for next chunk until timeout.
>   But yes, it's better.

I couldn't reproduce this with either Chrome/Firefox/Opera on Windows/Linux/Mac and I don't really have an idea what might be wrong, since symbols.js is just an ordinary file like everything else. Could this be something local getting in the way, such as a proxy server, a script blocker or similar?

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 02:24:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> If so, then the wiki should also be promoted to top level.
>
> Good idea. Please do it! -- Andrei

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1156

>>> I'm not always politically correct
>>
>> Most of the time, "politically correct" means being respectful to others, except the speaker intends to indicate that that is a bad thing.
> 
> Political correctness tries to censor the free expression of thoughts and has nothing to do with being respectful or not. Being politically correct means to censor one's own thoughts out of fear of being told off.

This is your line of objection when I asked you to be respectful toward people who might want to learn D.

Normal people are polite and respectful out of common human decency. Does this sometimes mean not uttering everything that passes through your head? Of course. But the motivation comes from wanting to work well with others and even from caring about other people. Not fear of being told off.

Does this not work for you?

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 20:21:37 UTC, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> This is your line of objection when I asked you to be respectful toward people who might want to learn D.
>
> Normal people are polite and respectful out of common human decency. Does this sometimes mean not uttering everything that passes through your head? Of course. But the motivation comes from wanting to work well with others and even from caring about other people. Not fear of being told off.
>
> Does this not work for you?

Chiming in unasked and unwanted from the side here: I personally believe it's better to actually say the things you think straight up instead of trying to sugarcoat things so people are less offended. I've been reading this forum for a while now, and there's often people arguing and accusing each other, even about trivial things, but from what I've seen these types of discussions have brought up and subsequently improved on real problems not too rarely.

Plus, anyone getting offended by people ranting on the internet is doing something wrong imho.

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 20:21:37 UTC, Chris Wright wrote:
>>>> I'm not always politically correct
>>>
>>> Most of the time, "politically correct" means being respectful to others, except the speaker intends to indicate that that is a bad thing.
>> 
>> Political correctness tries to censor the free expression of thoughts and has nothing to do with being respectful or not. Being politically correct means to censor one's own thoughts out of fear of being told off.
>
> This is your line of objection when I asked you to be respectful toward people who might want to learn D.

Have I ever been disrespectful toward people who want to learn D? Have I ever told people not to learn D? Where did you get that idea? Seriously, where?

I merely objected to comparing (domain specific) scripting languages like JS and PHP to D and I gave my reasons for it in one of my posts. I strongly warn against drawing conclusions from JS's and PHP's success story for D and how to market it. D will never gain traction in the same way and for the same reasons JS and PHP gained traction in the late 90ies. Please try to think about the points I made instead of feeling offended, because you may happen to use PHP or JS or both (or know someone who does).

> Normal people are polite and respectful out of common human decency. Does this sometimes mean not uttering everything that passes through your head? Of course. But the motivation comes from wanting to work well with others and even from caring about other people. Not fear of being told off.

Only, I wasn't talking about people. What does bashing a language have to do with lack of respect? Bashing languages is normal in the programming world and it does not equal bashing the _users_ of the language in question, which I fear you believe. I too have to use JS, out of necessity, and PHP for that matter. Using mediocre, messy or unspectacular languages doesn't mean you're an idiot.

> Does this not work for you?

Oh please. Do you want to shame me? Really? Will not work. Seriously.

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 20:21:37 UTC, Chris Wright wrote:
>>>> I'm not always politically correct
>>>
>>> Most of the time, "politically correct" means being respectful to others, except the speaker intends to indicate that that is a bad thing.
>> 
>> Political correctness tries to censor the free expression of thoughts and has nothing to do with being respectful or not. Being politically correct means to censor one's own thoughts out of fear of being told off.
>
> This is your line of objection when I asked you to be respectful toward people who might want to learn D.
>
> Normal people are polite and respectful out of common human decency. Does this sometimes mean not uttering everything that passes through your head? Of course. But the motivation comes from wanting to work well with others and even from caring about other people. Not fear of being told off.
>
> Does this not work for you?

Do not watch this, if you identify with any of the following languages:

C, C++, Perl, Java, Scala, JavaScript, Go, Rust, bash, Python (2 and 3), Ruby, PHP, Mathematica, C#, Prolog, Lisp

http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons

Else, you can just have a laugh.

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 15:16:49 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:

>>   Don't works for me now, problem with
>> http://dlang.org/library/symbols.js both Chromium and Firefox.

> I couldn't reproduce this with either Chrome/Firefox/Opera on
...
> Could this be something local getting in the way, such as a proxy server, a script blocker or similar?
 Yes! I find the reason. This is my ibVPN provider. Now I think they have problem with big javascript files (symbols.js is 724 Kb is size).
BTW, I check content of file and find very low entropy level here. Such amount of information can be transferred in smaller file.

On 11/23/2015 11:03 PM, Chris wrote:
> ...
>
> Do not watch this, if you identify with any of the following languages:
>
> C, C++, Perl, Java, Scala, JavaScript, Go, Rust, bash, Python (2 and 3),
> Ruby, PHP, Mathematica, C#, Prolog, Lisp
>
> http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons
>
> Else, you can just have a laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rj49rmc01Hs#t=303