On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:06:12 UTC, Avrina wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 02:42:13 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 6/26/20 1:02 PM, Avrina wrote:
>>> On Friday, 26 June 2020 at 13:35:20 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>> On 6/26/20 9:03 AM, Avrina wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> From https://wiredcraft.com/blog/how-to-post-on-hacker-news/:
>>>>
>>>> "Direct links to the post don’t allow people to vote. The link we have at the bottom of the post for example (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5200847) won’t work for upvoting. We need upvotes to be made from the newest page or the front page."
>>> 
>>> "It says a lot about the priorities when you can't even get a simple link, community comes last."
>>
>> There's some massive misunderstanding here. Do you understand the reason he did not a post a simple link?
>
> Do you understand what prioritizing is? Fake internet points are being prioritized over ease of access to the community.

Words are powerful, they kindle emotions. Saying for everyone here.

Async communication gives an opportunity for everyone to throw in sharp words. We wouldn't be saying such words when we meet them in person.

I regret being the person to start this. Now this thread is going in a different direction.

Let the bitterness end here please!!

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 16:02:53 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:06:12 UTC, Avrina wrote:
>>
>> Do you understand what prioritizing is? Fake internet points are being prioritized over ease of access to the community.
>
> Another way to frame it is that "respecting the rules of another community (HN) is being prioritized over a minor convenience for the D community."
>
> If we would like others to treat the D community with respect, I think it is only fair that we treat their communities with respect as well.

+Paro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_large_numbers

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 16:02:53 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:06:12 UTC, Avrina wrote:
>>
>> Do you understand what prioritizing is? Fake internet points are being prioritized over ease of access to the community.
>
> Another way to frame it is that "respecting the rules of another community (HN) is being prioritized over a minor convenience for the D community."
>
> If we would like others to treat the D community with respect, I think it is only fair that we treat their communities with respect as well.

They are actually going against their rules and are actively trying to game their algorithm by telling D's community to search for the article instead of providing.

So actually, I'd they also wanted to follow tand respect the rules of another community, then they would be providing a direct link. What they are doing now is going against their rules by trying to bypass their algorithm for more fake internet points.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 17:58:50 UTC, Avrina wrote:

>
> They are actually going against their rules and are actively trying to game their algorithm by telling D's community to search for the article instead of providing.
>
> So actually, I'd they also wanted to follow tand respect the rules of another community, then they would be providing a direct link. What they are doing now is going against their rules by trying to bypass their algorithm for more fake internet points.

I don't know why you're so worked up about this, but please scroll up and read what I wrote. Nowhere have I asked for anyone to upvote the post. I want people to know it's there so that those who would like to do so can head over and comment. Whether you upvote or not is up to you, but if you do so I would like it to count. I also don't want direct links harming our ranking. That gets more eyes on the post and helps us all in the long run.

If that's not good enough for you, then I have nothing else to say on the matter.

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 02:52:03 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 17:58:50 UTC, Avrina wrote:
>
>>
>> They are actually going against their rules and are actively trying to game their algorithm by telling D's community to search for the article instead of providing.
>>
>> So actually, I'd they also wanted to follow tand respect the rules of another community, then they would be providing a direct link. What they are doing now is going against their rules by trying to bypass their algorithm for more fake internet points.
>
> I don't know why you're so worked up about this, but please scroll up and read what I wrote. Nowhere have I asked for anyone to upvote the post. I want people to know it's there so that those who would like to do so can head over and comment. Whether you upvote or not is up to you, but if you do so I would like it to count. I also don't want direct links harming our ranking. That gets more eyes on the post and helps us all in the long run.
>
> If that's not good enough for you, then I have nothing else to say on the matter.

Replies like this one and andrei are why.

You are directing a community around a topic to an article about that topic. What do you think they are going to do? There's a reason why votes don't count when an article is linked directly. They didn't do it by mistake.

No worries, I'll post the direct link for you in the future. I got you covered.

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 16:31:35 UTC, Avrina wrote:
> On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 02:52:03 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>>
>> If that's not good enough for you, then I have nothing else to say on the matter.
>
> Replies like this one and andrei are why.
>
> You are directing a community around a topic to an article about that topic. What do you think they are going to do? There's a reason why votes don't count when an article is linked directly. They didn't do it by mistake.
>
> No worries, I'll post the direct link for you in the future. I got you covered.

I have a feature request to the forum engine, automatically delete all posts with hn deeplinks, problem solved.

Am Fri, 26 Jun 2020 08:36:06 +0000 schrieb Mike Parker:

> I suspect they track HTTP referrers and red flag multiple hits to the same link from the same referrer. However they do it, I would expect linking directly to search results is something they account for.

Can't we just set Referrer-Policy: no-referrer in the web interface? Mailing list and newsgroup shouldn't be affected anyway.



-- 
Johannes

On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 13:17:55 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
> Good piece. I've been following the recent thread, but this really helped make some things clear.

Do you have a link to that thread (or title) please?

On Friday, 3 July 2020 at 07:58:31 UTC, Nick Treleaven wrote:
> On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 13:17:55 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
>> Good piece. I've been following the recent thread, but this really helped make some things clear.
>
> Do you have a link to that thread (or title) please?

Pretty sure it's the stuff in std.v2020.algorithm (https://forum.dlang.org/post/rcqk4f$1dou$1@digitalmars.com). That discussion was part of the reason I got the post published right now. (the other reasons being I'd had it lying about for a long while, and a DConf 2020 presentation just wasn't going to happen)

--
  Simen

On 6/26/20 2:30 AM, aberba wrote:

> I'm curious what's happening in those D meetups. Are they still
> happening (online)?

Our Silicon Valley meetups are still going on:

  https://www.meetup.com/D-Lang-Silicon-Valley/events/kmqcvqybcjbxb/

However, without dedicated effort to line up speakers, it dwindled to a social gathering of very few people.

Ali