On 17 April 2013 17:18, Martin Nowak <code@dawg.eu> wrote:

> On 04/11/2013 05:42 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>
>> I'll stay at Aloft (http://goo.gl/CHmzw) and will drive a compact rental. Will gladly pick up people to and fro that hotel.
>>
>> Andrei
>>
>
> That would be great, I'll also stay there from 30th April to 4th May.
>

Cool, looks like we'll all have a great time at Aloft then. :o)

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Iain Buclaw

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On Wednesday, 17 April 2013 at 16:45:20 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On 17 April 2013 17:18, Martin Nowak <code@dawg.eu> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2013 05:42 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>
>>> I'll stay at Aloft (http://goo.gl/CHmzw) and will drive a compact
>>> rental. Will gladly pick up people to and fro that hotel.
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>>
>>
>> That would be great, I'll also stay there from 30th April to 4th May.
>>
>
> Cool, looks like we'll all have a great time at Aloft then. :o)

Darn, if I had known this a few days earlier, I might have also booked there. I'll in a cheap Palo Alto hotel near the Caltrain station, and my plan so far was actually to just rent a bicycle (yes, crazy Europeans, I know)…

David

On 17 April 2013 21:44, David Nadlinger <see@klickverbot.at> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 17 April 2013 at 16:45:20 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
>> On 17 April 2013 17:18, Martin Nowak <code@dawg.eu> wrote:
>>
>>  On 04/11/2013 05:42 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>
>>>  I'll stay at Aloft (http://goo.gl/CHmzw) and will drive a compact
>>>> rental. Will gladly pick up people to and fro that hotel.
>>>>
>>>> Andrei
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That would be great, I'll also stay there from 30th April to 4th May.
>>>
>>>
>> Cool, looks like we'll all have a great time at Aloft then. :o)
>>
>
> Darn, if I had known this a few days earlier, I might have also booked there. I'll in a cheap Palo Alto hotel near the Caltrain station, and my plan so far was actually to just rent a bicycle (yes, crazy Europeans, I know)…
>
> David
>

Incidentally, I only get around by bicycle (even moved 400 miles to a new
home on one last year).  =)

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On 4/18/2013 1:23 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> Incidentally, I only get around by bicycle (even moved 400 miles to a new home
> on one last year).  =)

It's far too dangerous to commute by bike in Seattle. The streets are winding and narrow. I tried it briefly, but it wasn't worth it.

On 18 April 2013 18:04, Walter Bright <newshound2@digitalmars.com> wrote:

> On 4/18/2013 1:23 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, I only get around by bicycle (even moved 400 miles to a new
>> home
>> on one last year).  =)
>>
>
> It's far too dangerous to commute by bike in Seattle. The streets are winding and narrow. I tried it briefly, but it wasn't worth it.
>
>
I certainly don't mind winding and narrow.   Cycling isn't inherently dangerous, but the two main things that don't help are - lack of cycle paths; careless or inconsiderate drivers.

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On Thursday, 18 April 2013 at 17:04:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 4/18/2013 1:23 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> Incidentally, I only get around by bicycle (even moved 400 miles to a new home
>> on one last year).  =)
>
> It's far too dangerous to commute by bike in Seattle. The streets are winding and narrow. I tried it briefly, but it wasn't worth it.

Is that USA winding and narrow, or something I would recognise as winding and narrow (UK)?

On 4/18/2013 10:42 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> I certainly don't mind winding and narrow.   Cycling isn't inherently dangerous,
> but the two main things that don't help are - lack of cycle paths; careless or
> inconsiderate drivers.

When you have cars brushing by your elbow at 40 mph, well, I thought that was very dangerous. When going around curves, cars routinely cut into the inside shoulder. They'll do it on blind corners, too.

I'm actually surprised that a lot more bikers aren't killed around here, although many are. I walk a lot, and many times I've had to step lively off of the road.

On 4/18/2013 10:47 AM, John Colvin wrote:
> On Thursday, 18 April 2013 at 17:04:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 4/18/2013 1:23 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>> Incidentally, I only get around by bicycle (even moved 400 miles to a new home
>>> on one last year).  =)
>>
>> It's far too dangerous to commute by bike in Seattle. The streets are winding
>> and narrow. I tried it briefly, but it wasn't worth it.
>
> Is that USA winding and narrow, or something I would recognise as winding and
> narrow (UK)?

In Seattle, the standard road is two Roman chariots wide, rather than one.

On 4/18/2013 10:50 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> I'm actually surprised that a lot more bikers aren't killed around here,
> although many are. I walk a lot, and many times I've had to step lively off of
> the road.

There's also a politically powerful bike lobby around here, but I don't think this is a problem that can be solved by politics.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:50:55AM -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 4/18/2013 10:42 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >I certainly don't mind winding and narrow.   Cycling isn't inherently dangerous, but the two main things that don't help are - lack of cycle paths; careless or inconsiderate drivers.
> 
> When you have cars brushing by your elbow at 40 mph, well, I thought that was very dangerous. When going around curves, cars routinely cut into the inside shoulder. They'll do it on blind corners, too.
> 
> I'm actually surprised that a lot more bikers aren't killed around here, although many are. I walk a lot, and many times I've had to step lively off of the road.

Speaking of careless drivers... not long ago up here in Canuckland (a few hours' drive from Seattle, incidentally), I almost got run over by a car *while crossing a crosswalk with flashing lights*. There was another vehicle which had come to a stop in the outer lane, which may have obscured me, but the car in the inner lane obviously didn't see me and didn't notice the big flashing lights above the crosswalk (and didn't consider why the vehicle on her right had stopped at a crosswalk with big flashing lights above).

Fortunately I was keeping an eye on it (I wasn't sure if it was slowing down so I hesitated). The driver screamed (oh yeah did she scream -- I could hear it through her closed windows) and slammed the brakes when she saw me, but couldn't stop in time; I stepped back just in time as she passed in front of me about 1-2 feet at the most.

Since then, I no longer assume that red lights, pedestrian walk signs, or crosswalk flashing lights mean anything to drivers. You might pay for that assumption with your life. *shudder*


T

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