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October 20, 2010
d-mode for Emacs
Hello all!

I've contacted Bill Baxter - original author of Emacs d-mode about
its future and possible plan to move it to some public repo.

Here is his reply:

"Hey there, 
Yeh, unfortunately due to a change in job, I'm not really
doing much with D any more.  
Feel free to take my D mode, tweak it, and put it in a repository
somewhere. I think it's on a wiki right now, right?  So you can update
it on the wiki, and/or put a link to your updated version in a repo on
the wiki page."

Considering that having strong d-mode for Emacs is desired, so is any
more experienced D hacker and/or familiar with Emacs to take it over
and put on some public repo?


Sincerely,
Gour

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October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
Gour,

The thread "is D too modern for Emacs" ended indecisively.  Options for
a VCS/host are:

	Bazaar /  Launchpad
	Mercurial / BitBucket or DSource
	Git / GitHub or Gitorious or DSource

There are some doubts about DSource even though perhaps it is the
natural place -- and even though they do not support Bazaar, which they
should.  I personally prefer Bazaar or Mercurial over Git (which I find
over complicated and not really any faster than Bazaar or Mercurial).  I
like Launchpad though I know some do not.  BitBucket has had a chance of
ownership since the previous thread.

Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to getting a
shared view as to what to do :-)

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:26 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> I've contacted Bill Baxter - original author of Emacs d-mode about
> its future and possible plan to move it to some public repo.
> 
> Here is his reply:
> 
> "Hey there, 
> Yeh, unfortunately due to a change in job, I'm not really
> doing much with D any more.  
> Feel free to take my D mode, tweak it, and put it in a repository
> somewhere. I think it's on a wiki right now, right?  So you can update
> it on the wiki, and/or put a link to your updated version in a repo on
> the wiki page."
> 
> Considering that having strong d-mode for Emacs is desired, so is any
> more experienced D hacker and/or familiar with Emacs to take it over
> and put on some public repo?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gour
> 

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October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
>>>>>> "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:

Hello Russel,

Russel> The thread "is D too modern for Emacs" ended indecisively.

Right.

Russel> There are some doubts about DSource even though perhaps it is
Russel> the natural place -- and even though they do not support
Russel> Bazaar, which they should.  I personally prefer Bazaar or
Russel> Mercurial over Git (which I find over complicated and not
Russel> really any faster than Bazaar or Mercurial).  I like Launchpad
Russel> though I know some do not.  BitBucket has had a chance of
Russel> ownership since the previous thread.

I personally use Monotone, but prefer bzr & hg over git as well.

Russel> Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
Russel> getting a shared view as to what to do :-)

It looks that there are too many dead projects on dsource, so maybe
better something else.

Maybe the 1st one who is inspired can just setup repo and inform us.


Sincerely,
Gour

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October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
>>>>>> "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:

Russel> Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
Russel> getting a shared view as to what to do :-)

I forgot to say that, imho, we should ask Andrei since he is the 2nd
contributor to d-mode 'project'....


Sincerely,
Gour

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October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:09 +0200, Gour wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
> >>>>>> "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:
> 
> Russel> Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
> Russel> getting a shared view as to what to do :-)
> 
> I forgot to say that, imho, we should ask Andrei since he is the 2nd
> contributor to d-mode 'project'....

Works for me.  I'll delay creating a Launchpad project and team, and
establishing a Bazaar branch as the trunk until Andrei gives approval to
the plan ;-)

-- 
Russel.
=============================================================================
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41 Buckmaster Road    m: +44 7770 465 077   xmpp: russel@russel.org.uk
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk  skype: russel_winder
October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On 10/20/10 16:24 CDT, Russel Winder wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:09 +0200, Gour wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
>>>>>>>> "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:
>>
>> Russel>  Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
>> Russel>  getting a shared view as to what to do :-)
>>
>> I forgot to say that, imho, we should ask Andrei since he is the 2nd
>> contributor to d-mode 'project'....
>
> Works for me.  I'll delay creating a Launchpad project and team, and
> establishing a Bazaar branch as the trunk until Andrei gives approval to
> the plan ;-)

I was thinking dsource and even dmd's own "tools" repository could be 
good places to store the mode. But then why make the few Phobos people 
the bottleneck? Feel free to create a project as you find fit.

At any rate, the mode should stay downloadable off digitalmars.com (it 
already is: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dlinks.html). So please keep me 
in the loop.


Andrei
October 20, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:37:47 -0500
> From: Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org>
> Reply-To: digitalmars.D <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com>
> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
> Newsgroups: digitalmars.D
> Subject: Re: d-mode for Emacs
> 
> On 10/20/10 16:24 CDT, Russel Winder wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:09 +0200, Gour wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
> > > > > > > > > "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:
> > > 
> > > Russel>  Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
> > > Russel>  getting a shared view as to what to do :-)
> > > 
> > > I forgot to say that, imho, we should ask Andrei since he is the 2nd
> > > contributor to d-mode 'project'....
> > 
> > Works for me.  I'll delay creating a Launchpad project and team, and
> > establishing a Bazaar branch as the trunk until Andrei gives approval to
> > the plan ;-)
> 
> I was thinking dsource and even dmd's own "tools" repository could be good
> places to store the mode. But then why make the few Phobos people the
> bottleneck? Feel free to create a project as you find fit.
> 
> At any rate, the mode should stay downloadable off digitalmars.com (it already
> is: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dlinks.html). So please keep me in the loop.
> 
> Andrei

Why house it outside the emacs source repository?  Get it incorporated 
into the primary distribution channel for emacs itself and everyone wins, 
no?
October 21, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On 10/20/2010 06:38 PM, Brad Roberts wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:37:47 -0500
>> From: Andrei Alexandrescu<SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org>
>> Reply-To: digitalmars.D<digitalmars-d@puremagic.com>
>> To: digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
>> Newsgroups: digitalmars.D
>> Subject: Re: d-mode for Emacs
>>
>> On 10/20/10 16:24 CDT, Russel Winder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 21:09 +0200, Gour wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:59:22 +0100
>>>>>>>>>> "Russel" == Russel Winder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Russel>   Actually setting up a branch/repository is trivial compared to
>>>> Russel>   getting a shared view as to what to do :-)
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to say that, imho, we should ask Andrei since he is the 2nd
>>>> contributor to d-mode 'project'....
>>>
>>> Works for me.  I'll delay creating a Launchpad project and team, and
>>> establishing a Bazaar branch as the trunk until Andrei gives approval to
>>> the plan ;-)
>>
>> I was thinking dsource and even dmd's own "tools" repository could be good
>> places to store the mode. But then why make the few Phobos people the
>> bottleneck? Feel free to create a project as you find fit.
>>
>> At any rate, the mode should stay downloadable off digitalmars.com (it already
>> is: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dlinks.html). So please keep me in the loop.
>>
>> Andrei
>
> Why house it outside the emacs source repository?  Get it incorporated
> into the primary distribution channel for emacs itself and everyone wins,
> no?

If that's feasible, sure! Does anyone know the right people?

Andrei
October 21, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:38:49 -0700
>>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Roberts wrote:

Brad> Why house it outside the emacs source repository?  Get it
Brad> incorporated into the primary distribution channel for emacs
Brad> itself and everyone wins, no?

I think it's good idea to have d-mode shipped with Emacs, but to have
separate project as well...think e.g. org-mode.


Sincerely,
Gour

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October 21, 2010
Re: d-mode for Emacs
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:39:12 -0500
>>>>>> "Andrei" == Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

Andrei> If that's feasible, sure! Does anyone know the right people?

Afaik, it involves getting written & signed papers from all the
contributors sent to FSF...iow, it's not so easy and therefore I
believe that for now it's better to just create public repo as Russel
has suggested below: 

Russel> Works for me.  I'll delay creating a Launchpad project and
Russel> team, and establishing a Bazaar branch as the trunk until
Russel> Andrei gives approval to the plan ;-)

In parallel to that, it's possible to research further what is
required to include d-mode in Emacs itself, but, as I wrote in another
post, it can be win/win - having both separate project and being
included in Emacs by submitting specific release prior to official
release of Emacs.


Sincerely,
Gour

p.s. Here is snippet from http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.php
saying:

<quote>
Copyright issues when contributing to Emacs org-mode

Org is made of many files. Most of them are also distributed as part
of GNU Emacs. These files are called the Org core, and they are all
copyrighted by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. If you consider
contributing to these files, your first need to grant the right to
include your works in GNU Emacs to the FSF. For this you need to
complete this form, send it to assign@gnu.org, and tell the Org-mode
maintainer when this process is complete. Some people consider this a
hassle. I don't want to discuss this in detail here - there are some
good reasons for getting the copyright registered, an example is
discussed in this FLOSS weekly podcast. Furthermore, by playing
according to the Emacs rules, we gain the fantastic advantage that
every version of Emacs ships with Org-mode already fully built in. So
please consider doing this - it makes our work as maintainers so much
easier, because we can then take your patches without any additional
work. 
</quote>

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