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[OT] Good^H^H^H^HAcceptable NG/email client?
Jul 25, 2012
Nick Sabalausky
Jul 25, 2012
Gour
Jul 25, 2012
Nick Sabalausky
Jul 25, 2012
Gour
Jul 25, 2012
Paulo Pinto
Jul 25, 2012
Alix Pexton
Jul 25, 2012
Alix Pexton
Jul 25, 2012
Alix Pexton
Jul 25, 2012
Walter Bright
Jul 27, 2012
Kapps
Jul 27, 2012
Nick Sabalausky
Jul 27, 2012
H. S. Teoh
July 25, 2012
Couple months ago I came across ClawsMail which, at first,
seemed to actually be good enough to finally pull me away from Outlook
Express. Which was nice because I was getting really tired of OE's
issues: lack of spellcheck, can't send unicode, proprietary storage
format, certin NG postings only show up as blank posts with the content
as an attachment, and some other smaller issues. Because of that, I was
even willing put up with ClawsMail's use of that wretched GTK.

But aside from a few (umm, actually a LOT of) smaller quibbles with ClawsMail that I'd been willing to overlook, I'm now noticing some major flaws when typing a message:

1. Word wrap is a joke. Ie, it never
re-flows. Line lengths just keep shrinking as you edit. I
constantly have to rejoin partial lines of text. PITA.

2. Undo is *completely* broken. Period. Sometimes it works right. And then sometimes it just starts trampling random parts of your text *instead* of undoing whatever change you *just made*. Redo doesn't always seem reliable either.

Thunderbird's gone nowhere but downhill last number of
years, just like Firefox. And I'm not a fan of Opera, and Win7's mail
program sucks.

Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross
platform
- I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?

July 25, 2012
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:12:23 -0400
Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com> wrote:

> Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross platform - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?

I use Claws-mail for many years with (g)vim as external editor and it
works great.

Using

gvim "+set ft=mail" -f %s

line to configure external text editor in Preferences.

Vim completely annihilates your points 1) & 2).


Sincerely,
Gour


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July 25, 2012
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:44:03 +0200
Gour <gour@atmarama.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:12:23 -0400
> Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross platform - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?
> 
> I use Claws-mail for many years with (g)vim as external editor and it
> works great.
> 
> Using
> 
> gvim "+set ft=mail" -f %s
> 
> line to configure external text editor in Preferences.
> 
> Vim completely annihilates your points 1) & 2).
> 

Thanks for the tip (I didn't know you could set up an external editor for Claws), although...ummm...how to put this without reigniting the age-old editor wars...Let's just say I'm not really much of a vi kinda guy ;)

I guess I could find a different external editor, but it would be nice to have a more "proper" (well, "traditional" or "mainstream" I guess) email editing window, with the to/cc/bcc lines, subject line, attachments, address book, etc.

July 25, 2012
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 03:27:30 -0400
Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip (I didn't know you could set up an external editor for Claws), although...ummm...how to put this without reigniting the age-old editor wars...Let's just say I'm not really much of a vi kinda guy ;)

Ok, use Emacs then. ;)

The point is that vim (and Emacs) have support for 'mail' filetype which is
not the case for e.g. Geany & SublimeText2 which I diched for that
reason since they're not capable to replace my current Claws' external
editor.

> I guess I could find a different external editor, but it would be nice to have a more "proper" (well, "traditional" or "mainstream" I guess) email editing window, with the to/cc/bcc lines, subject line, attachments, address book, etc.

Well, Vim (or Emacs) are used *just* for composing body text, the rest
you do within Claws.


Sincerely,
Gour


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July 25, 2012
On Wednesday, 25 July 2012 at 04:12:36 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Couple months ago I came across ClawsMail which, at first,
> seemed to actually be good enough to finally pull me away from Outlook
> Express. Which was nice because I was getting really tired of OE's
> issues: lack of spellcheck, can't send unicode, proprietary storage
> format, certin NG postings only show up as blank posts with the content
> as an attachment, and some other smaller issues. Because of that, I was
> even willing put up with ClawsMail's use of that wretched GTK.
>
> But aside from a few (umm, actually a LOT of) smaller quibbles with
> ClawsMail that I'd been willing to overlook, I'm now noticing some
> major flaws when typing a message:
>
> 1. Word wrap is a joke. Ie, it never
> re-flows. Line lengths just keep shrinking as you edit. I
> constantly have to rejoin partial lines of text. PITA.
>
> 2. Undo is *completely* broken. Period. Sometimes it works right. And
> then sometimes it just starts trampling random parts of your text
> *instead* of undoing whatever change you *just made*. Redo doesn't
> always seem reliable either.
>
> Thunderbird's gone nowhere but downhill last number of
> years, just like Firefox. And I'm not a fan of Opera, and Win7's mail
> program sucks.
>
> Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross
> platform
> - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?


Not sure what your problem with Thunderbird is, I am still an happy user of it.

At work, due to software restrictions I am forced to live with Live Email, former Outlook Express for NG access.

July 25, 2012
On 25/07/2012 05:12, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
[snip]
> Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross
> platform
> - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?
>

Once upon a time, I used Emacs over telnet to check mail/news on my uni account from my parents place where there was only rural backwater dail-up (that was still billed per minute!) Overall I would not recommend the experience, but I did grow fond of the Emacs mail mode and used it exclusively for the rest of my time at uni. Chances are it has improved since then, but perhaps you can find a version of Emacs from 1998 on the wayback machine?

A...
July 25, 2012
On 25/07/2012 05:12, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
[snip]
> Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross
> platform
> - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?
>

Once upon a time, I used Emacs over telnet to check mail/news on my uni account from my parents place where there was only rural backwater dail-up (that was still billed per minute!) Overall I would not recommend the experience, but I did grow fond of the Emacs mail mode and used it exclusively for the rest of my time at uni. Chances are it has improved since then, but perhaps you can find a version of Emacs from [REDACTED] on the wayback machine?

A...
July 25, 2012
On 25/07/2012 09:30, Alix Pexton wrote:
> On 25/07/2012 05:12, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> [snip]
>> Anyone know of a NG/email client, available on Win (preferably cross
>> platform
>> - I do want to switch to Lin eventually) that isn't shit?
>>
>
> Once upon a time, I used Emacs over telnet to check mail/news on my uni
> account from my parents place where there was only rural backwater
> dail-up (that was still billed per minute!) Overall I would not
> recommend the experience, but I did grow fond of the Emacs mail mode and
> used it exclusively for the rest of my time at uni. Chances are it has
> improved since then, but perhaps you can find a version of Emacs from
> [REDACTED] on the wayback machine?
>
> A...

PS

I've just gone right off Thunderbird (which I only use for news) as its just reported posting failures that were not failures, hence my double posts, and no longer allows me to delete my own messages from the NG!

/em goes to download Emacs!
July 25, 2012
On 7/24/2012 9:12 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>  Thunderbird's gone nowhere but downhill last number of
> years, just like Firefox.

I've been sorely tried by TB's calendar feature. 2 times now I've tediously entered in my events info, only to have next time I "upgrade" TB it blows away the calendar and all my data. (No, TB never warned me that by upgrading this would happen.)

Pffft, never again will I bother with it.

P.S. I think the calendar devs and the TB devs must hate each other with a purple passion.
July 27, 2012
Out of curiosity, what do you find wrong with the web interface?


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