Despite word "download" being mentioned. What safari really provide, is an "online version" of the book, not "electronic version".

When I've bought paperback TDPL, I was kinda hoping to read "bonus book" on my kindle dx, leaving paperback book on my office desk as promo for my colleagues and guests. Well, too good to be truth.

FWIW, I would still like to have a kindle version. Pdf is fine too.

-- 
serg.

I really appreciated the way Peter Langtangen handled this for his book "Python Scripting for Computational Science": There is an encrypted PDF for download for which you need a password like "Enter the first word on page XXX".

Of course such a measure can still be worked around, but it is sufficient barrier that the PDF will not easily spread around and the protection is non-intrusive enough to allow people who purchased the paperback to have the PDF for reference.

I personally enjoyed TPDL as the best read in a long time. It definitely makes you stand out as a nerd if you mention this in smalltalk conversations about enjoyable holiday reads... :-)

However, the book is pretty useless as reference now, because I typically just carry around my notebook and never have TPDL at hand when I would need it...




On 20/08/10 00:51, sergk wrote:
> Despite word "download" being mentioned. What safari really provide,
> is an "online version" of the book, not "electronic version".
>
> When I've bought paperback TDPL, I was kinda hoping to read "bonus
> book" on my kindle dx, leaving paperback book on my office desk as
> promo for my colleagues and guests. Well, too good to be truth.
>
> FWIW, I would still like to have a kindle version. Pdf is fine too.
>

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:32:33 -0500, Norbert Nemec <Norbert@nemec-online.de> wrote:

> I really appreciated the way Peter Langtangen handled this for his book "Python Scripting for Computational Science": There is an encrypted PDF for download for which you need a password like "Enter the first word on page XXX".

Heh! It remainds me of those old Wizardry games, where you had to frantically search for words in the manual to start a game.


-- 
Yao G.

"Yao G." <nospamyao@gmail.com> wrote in message news:op.vhr2o5blxeuu2f@miroslava.gateway.2wire.net...
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:32:33 -0500, Norbert Nemec <Norbert@nemec-online.de> wrote:
>
>> I really appreciated the way Peter Langtangen handled this for his book "Python Scripting for Computational Science": There is an encrypted PDF for download for which you need a password like "Enter the first word on page XXX".
>
> Heh! It remainds me of those old Wizardry games, where you had to frantically search for words in the manual to start a game.
>
>
> -- 
> Yao G.

And all the manuals were printed on red paper :-)

-=mike=-

On 08/21/2010 03:32 AM, Norbert Nemec wrote:
> I really appreciated the way Peter Langtangen handled this for his book
> "Python Scripting for Computational Science": There is an encrypted PDF
> for download for which you need a password like "Enter the first word on
> page XXX".
>
> Of course such a measure can still be worked around, but it is
> sufficient barrier that the PDF will not easily spread around and the
> protection is non-intrusive enough to allow people who purchased the
> paperback to have the PDF for reference.

The Peter Langtangen book you mention is easily found on the net, no password required. Frankly, if your book isn't available as a piratable PDF, your book is a failure -- meaning there isn't sufficient interest for people to pirate it. I'm not condoning copyright infringement, I'm just stating facts.

Isn't it possible to save the webpage from safari, for your own use? I'm not sure about the legality of that though..

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Eduardo Cavazos <wayo.cavazos@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a legal/official way to purchase a full PDF of TDPL?
>
> The Safari site says you get 45 days of access to the book online if you purchase the book. It also says that you can download individual chapters but you have to collect enough "tokens"...
>
> Ed
>

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:49:43 -0500, Yao G. <nospamyao@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heh! It remainds me of those old Wizardry games, where you had to frantically search for words in the manual to start a game.

And by remainds I actually mean reminds.  :)


-- 
Yao G.

== Quote from sergk (kovrov+puremagic@gmail.com)'s article
> Despite word "download" being mentioned. What safari really provide,
> is an "online version" of the book, not "electronic version".
> When I've bought paperback TDPL, I was kinda hoping to read "bonus
> book" on my kindle dx, leaving paperback book on my office desk as
> promo for my colleagues and guests. Well, too good to be truth.
> FWIW, I would still like to have a kindle version. Pdf is fine too.

Has this changed? I bought TDPL in early July, registered at informit/Safari Books
Online and could download a PDF version, which was even updated about two weeks
later. Those versions were labeled "Rough Cuts" but whatever..
So I got a nice searchable (and even updated) PDF version of the book that I can
use forever, even when the free 45day subscription expires (and I certainly
wouldn't pay for a Safari Online subscription just to use a digital version of a
book I already bought).
It has my name and E-Mail Address on every page, but this is okay, it's probably
meant to be some kind of copy protection.

Andrei: Please make this version available again for anyone who bought your book, because many people like having a searchable PDF in addition to the real dead-tree book. I think the way it was handled in early July (get a free 45day subscription and the possibility to download the book as PDF within that time) was really fair - although I certainly wouldn't mind getting updated versions of the book even after that 45day period - and useful.

Cheers,
- Daniel

On 8/27/10 13:04 PDT, Daniel Gibson wrote:
> == Quote from sergk (kovrov+puremagic@gmail.com)'s article
>> Despite word "download" being mentioned. What safari really provide,
>> is an "online version" of the book, not "electronic version".
>> When I've bought paperback TDPL, I was kinda hoping to read "bonus
>> book" on my kindle dx, leaving paperback book on my office desk as
>> promo for my colleagues and guests. Well, too good to be truth.
>> FWIW, I would still like to have a kindle version. Pdf is fine too.
>
> Has this changed? I bought TDPL in early July, registered at informit/Safari Books
> Online and could download a PDF version, which was even updated about two weeks
> later. Those versions were labeled "Rough Cuts" but whatever..
> So I got a nice searchable (and even updated) PDF version of the book that I can
> use forever, even when the free 45day subscription expires (and I certainly
> wouldn't pay for a Safari Online subscription just to use a digital version of a
> book I already bought).
> It has my name and E-Mail Address on every page, but this is okay, it's probably
> meant to be some kind of copy protection.
>
> Andrei: Please make this version available again for anyone who bought your book,
> because many people like having a searchable PDF in addition to the real dead-tree
> book. I think the way it was handled in early July (get a free 45day subscription
> and the possibility to download the book as PDF within that time) was really fair
> - although I certainly wouldn't mind getting updated versions of the book even
> after that 45day period - and useful.
>
> Cheers,
> - Daniel

Thanks. I will forward this suggestion to my editor, and I'll also raise the possibility of offering electronic copies alone. I also want to offer an electronic color edition for readers that support colors.

Andrei

Andrei Alexandrescu schrieb:
> On 8/27/10 13:04 PDT, Daniel Gibson wrote:
>> == Quote from sergk (kovrov+puremagic@gmail.com)'s article
>>> Despite word "download" being mentioned. What safari really provide,
>>> is an "online version" of the book, not "electronic version".
>>> When I've bought paperback TDPL, I was kinda hoping to read "bonus
>>> book" on my kindle dx, leaving paperback book on my office desk as
>>> promo for my colleagues and guests. Well, too good to be truth.
>>> FWIW, I would still like to have a kindle version. Pdf is fine too.
>>
>> Has this changed? I bought TDPL in early July, registered at informit/Safari Books
>> Online and could download a PDF version, which was even updated about two weeks
>> later. Those versions were labeled "Rough Cuts" but whatever..
>> So I got a nice searchable (and even updated) PDF version of the book that I can
>> use forever, even when the free 45day subscription expires (and I certainly
>> wouldn't pay for a Safari Online subscription just to use a digital version of a
>> book I already bought).
>> It has my name and E-Mail Address on every page, but this is okay, it's probably
>> meant to be some kind of copy protection.
>>
>> Andrei: Please make this version available again for anyone who bought your book,
>> because many people like having a searchable PDF in addition to the real dead-tree
>> book. I think the way it was handled in early July (get a free 45day subscription
>> and the possibility to download the book as PDF within that time) was really fair
>> - although I certainly wouldn't mind getting updated versions of the book even
>> after that 45day period - and useful.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Daniel
> 
> Thanks. I will forward this suggestion to my editor, and I'll also raise the possibility of offering electronic copies alone. I also want to offer an electronic color edition for readers that support colors.
> 
> Andrei

Great!
Thanks very much :-)