On 1/17/12 11:34 AM, Brad Roberts wrote:
> IMHO, we've got plenty of tools in our mix we just don't use them well.
>
> Bugzilla already has several dimensions of scheduling, including severity, priority, and milestones.  Additionally, it's probably way overdue to apply more structure to the products/components.  I know it's something Don has advocated before.
>
> Wiki is a good document collaboration tool.
>
> The DLang website is a good communication tool, as are the newsgroups/mailing lists.
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> Between bugzilla for fine grained categorization of issues/enhancements/whatever and a page on the website to state high level goals, I'm not sure what else we really need.
>
> I absolutely agree that we need to have a better roadmap and to execute on it, just not that another tool is needed or useful.

I understand your concern (expanded in your other messages). Let's, however, not derail the discussion into a false choice. Yes, we do have tools we don't use. That doesn't mean we should stop looking at _other_ tools that may be more adequate tools for our needs.

So the proof that we don't use bugzilla votes or priorities does not prove e.g. trello.com would not be useful.

I think we have two good proposals. One is trello.com, the other is github's new tools. The github chain does not seem very mature, but integration and potential are definitely important.

Could you guys make trello.com accounts so we find each other there? Let's give it a whirl.


Thanks,

Andrei

I'm alexrp on Trello.

Regards,
Alex

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/12 11:34 AM, Brad Roberts wrote:
>>
>> IMHO, we've got plenty of tools in our mix we just don't use them well.
>>
>> Bugzilla already has several dimensions of scheduling, including severity,
>> priority, and milestones. ?Additionally, it's
>> probably way overdue to apply more structure to the products/components.
>> ?I know it's something Don has advocated before.
>>
>> Wiki is a good document collaboration tool.
>>
>> The DLang website is a good communication tool, as are the newsgroups/mailing lists.
>>
>> Between bugzilla for fine grained categorization of issues/enhancements/whatever and a page on the website to state high level goals, I'm not sure what else we really need.
>>
>> I absolutely agree that we need to have a better roadmap and to execute on
>> it, just not that another tool is needed or
>> useful.
>
>
> I understand your concern (expanded in your other messages). Let's, however, not derail the discussion into a false choice. Yes, we do have tools we don't use. That doesn't mean we should stop looking at _other_ tools that may be more adequate tools for our needs.
>
> So the proof that we don't use bugzilla votes or priorities does not prove e.g. trello.com would not be useful.
>
> I think we have two good proposals. One is trello.com, the other is github's new tools. The github chain does not seem very mature, but integration and potential are definitely important.
>
> Could you guys make trello.com accounts so we find each other there? Let's give it a whirl.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrei
>
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Andrei Alexandrescu, el 17 de enero a las 09:19 me escribiste:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Walter and I were thinking of considering a sort of project planning software, i.e. one that tracks high-level tasks, goals, and milestones.
> 
> Currently we have bugzilla for issue tracking, which is good for bugs and small enhancement requests. Then we have github which is excellent for revision tracking and such.
> 
> What we currently lack is a sort of a higher level tool that helps us make plans together, order work items by urgency and importance, and share with the community what our goals and milestones are.

I'm not a fan of bugzilla, but why it doesn't fit for that?

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On 1/17/12 3:49 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> I'm not a fan of bugzilla, but why it doesn't fit for that?

Ranking and tracking progress on large and complex tasks e.g. shared libraries and win64 with bugzilla is problematic.

Andrei

On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> 
> Could you guys make trello.com accounts so we find each other there? Let's give it a whirl.

https://trello.com/complexmath

> Could you guys make trello.com accounts so we find each other there? Let's give it a whirl.
>
We had a pretty bad experience with FogCreek/FogBugz at my workplace.
Trello looks pretty nice, apparently doesn't rely on a self-written
VBScript compiler and seems to fit out bill.
Just be sensible with how much you want to rely on a 3-month
old free of charge service.

trello.com/dawg

On 1/17/2012 8:10 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
>> Could you guys make trello.com accounts so we find each other there? Let's give it a whirl.
>>
> We had a pretty bad experience with FogCreek/FogBugz at my workplace.
> Trello looks pretty nice, apparently doesn't rely on a self-written
> VBScript compiler and seems to fit out bill.
> Just be sensible with how much you want to rely on a 3-month
> old free of charge service.
>
> trello.com/dawg
>

Trello also does not work with IE8 on Windows XP, although it's home page insists it works everywhere.

I've submitted a bug report to them.

Andrei Alexandrescu, el 17 de enero a las 16:04 me escribiste:
> On 1/17/12 3:49 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >I'm not a fan of bugzilla, but why it doesn't fit for that?
> 
> Ranking and tracking progress on large and complex tasks e.g. shared libraries and win64 with bugzilla is problematic.

Why? You just repeated the same but didn't tell why :)

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Relax.
I'll need some information first.
Just the basic facts.
Can you show me where it hurts?

On 1/18/12 4:38 AM, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> Andrei Alexandrescu, el 17 de enero a las 16:04 me escribiste:
>> On 1/17/12 3:49 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
>>> I'm not a fan of bugzilla, but why it doesn't fit for that?
>>
>> Ranking and tracking progress on large and complex tasks e.g. shared libraries and win64 with bugzilla is problematic.
>
> Why? You just repeated the same but didn't tell why :)

Well the process is stalled for now. Walter didn't get trello.com to work on XP/IE8 and considers that a showstopper.

Andrei

Hi Andrey,

Do you need collaboration tool or tool like application life cycle management?

Anyway such tools are strongly depend on development processes setup in teams.

>From OS world for ALM I've heard about Jabox (www.jabox.org) has
integration with Github/git + Bugzilla, Endeavour http://endeavour-mgmt.sourceforge.net/ and Mylyn http://eclipse.org/mylyn/ but no expirience from me. It all need some customization. There is also http://www.springsource.com/code2cloud from VMware in cloud based on Mylyn.

And full spectrum from IBM Rational through MS VS Ultimate till Project+Excel for Windows world.

Personal expirience (server reports + small dashboard) I can share by email
(small-to-medium projects in for 2-3 sites accross the globe).

Oleg.

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