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June 18, 2003
ICFP 2003
Hi,

   The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend for
it. I know I am ;)
   As usual we have no idea about this year's task, but I think a team of 3
to 6 developers should be enough. Also if we give it a shot and get
ourselves a nice place we could get some attention for D.

   Best regards,
   Daniel Yokomiso.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the
experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination
to do so."
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June 18, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
what about Eon language
June 18, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
> 2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend for
> it. I know I am ;)
>     As usual we have no idea about this year's task, but I think a team of 3
> to 6 developers should be enough. Also if we give it a shot and get
> ourselves a nice place we could get some attention for D.

I don't feel quite up to the task of competitive D coding,
but I could give support by 
  - providing a CVS server (if needed)
and
  - caring for test data 
  - white box testing (if needed)
within a max of about 10 hours total over the weekend.

The CVS is under testing and might be available for other D 
projects too (if there is interest).

-- 
Helmut Leitner    leitner@hls.via.at
Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com
June 18, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
>     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
> 2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend for
> it. I know I am ;)

I am.  For CVS we could use either Helmut or OpenD.org; that could also 
be used for file storage if necessary.  I also see a need for both 
instant (irc) and structured (news) collaboration.

All devs should get synced to minimise potential jarring.  The issues I 
can see are:

- Sockets might be needed (this is implied by the rules).  The only 
high-level sockets module I know of is the one in my urllib.
- GUI tools might be needed.  Again, the only one I know of blah de blah 
blah.  I can release a new version that has a large increase in the 
amount of 3d math support and renders dedit nearly useable if that's 
desired.
- Autodoc should definitely be a top issue with collaborative 
programming on what will remain a small source throughout the contest. 
I use Doxygen in conjunction with a filter packaged in dig.

I don't see much that can be done beyond that; there's no common ground 
that I can detect year-to-year in the contests.  The nightmare scenario 
is that the contest comes around and requires a module that we have no 
support for.
June 18, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
In article <bcpe60$7s3$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Burton Radons says...
>
>Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
>>     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from

>I don't see much that can be done beyond that; there's no common ground 
>that I can detect year-to-year in the contests.  The nightmare scenario 
>is that the contest comes around and requires a module that we have no 
>support for.

I got the impression that the program is going to do some
output in tty format, which should then be emailed verbatim
to them.

That was not said, so this is my impression.

We should have a team where thera are maybe three really
fast programmers, and then another three who have a 
more theoretical or analytical bacground. All should be
very creative people.

Also, the communication during those 24 or 36 hours 
should be very fast, so in addition to mailing lists,
we should use IRC.

--------

I'll be on our annual sailing/bridge playing cruise with
the boys, but I sure as hell will keep my fingers crossed
for our team!!
June 19, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "prm" <prm_member@pathlink.com>
Newsgroups: D
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: ICFP 2003
>
> what about Eon language
>

Some day in the future, when it'll be finished and running. Today it's
conceptual only.


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June 19, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Leitner" <leitner@hls.via.at>
Newsgroups: D
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: ICFP 2003
>
> Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
> > 2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend
for
> > it. I know I am ;)
> >     As usual we have no idea about this year's task, but I think a team
of 3
> > to 6 developers should be enough. Also if we give it a shot and get
> > ourselves a nice place we could get some attention for D.
>
> I don't feel quite up to the task of competitive D coding,
> but I could give support by
>    - providing a CVS server (if needed)
> and
>    - caring for test data
>    - white box testing (if needed)
> within a max of about 10 hours total over the weekend.


   I think this will be necessary, at least some kind of automated testing
creation. They may post additional details during the competition, so it
would be good to make unittests to cover the specs.


> The CVS is under testing and might be available for other D
> projects too (if there is interest).
>
> --
> Helmut Leitner    leitner@hls.via.at
> Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com


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June 19, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Burton Radons" <loth@users.sourceforge.net>
Newsgroups: D
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: ICFP 2003


> Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
> >     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
> > 2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend
for
> > it. I know I am ;)
>
> I am.  For CVS we could use either Helmut or OpenD.org; that could also
> be used for file storage if necessary.  I also see a need for both
> instant (irc) and structured (news) collaboration.

Then we should set a D irc channel somewhere. I don't think people here
would be angry if we use this newsgroup. Walter, are you ok with this?

> All devs should get synced to minimise potential jarring.  The issues I
> can see are:

cvs update every thirty seconds ;)

> - Sockets might be needed (this is implied by the rules).  The only
> high-level sockets module I know of is the one in my urllib.
> - GUI tools might be needed.  Again, the only one I know of blah de blah
> blah.  I can release a new version that has a large increase in the
> amount of 3d math support and renders dedit nearly useable if that's
> desired.

I agree with both. Fortunately we have a dig expert available ;)

> - Autodoc should definitely be a top issue with collaborative
> programming on what will remain a small source throughout the contest.
> I use Doxygen in conjunction with a filter packaged in dig.

Hmmm, I don't agree about this. I think that we should agree in some coding
convention and create unittests. These are faster to produce and reveal
intent. Documentation is good for apis but, as we have only 72 hours, they
can become cumbersome to manage.

> I don't see much that can be done beyond that; there's no common ground
> that I can detect year-to-year in the contests.  The nightmare scenario
> is that the contest comes around and requires a module that we have no
> support for.

That's a possibility, but as we can link with C that shouldn't be a huge
problem.


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June 19, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
"Georg Wrede" <Georg_member@pathlink.com> escreveu na mensagem
news:bcppcc$ht2$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> In article <bcpe60$7s3$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Burton Radons says...
> >
> >Daniel Yokomiso wrote:
> >>     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
>
> >I don't see much that can be done beyond that; there's no common ground
> >that I can detect year-to-year in the contests.  The nightmare scenario
> >is that the contest comes around and requires a module that we have no
> >support for.
>
> I got the impression that the program is going to do some
> output in tty format, which should then be emailed verbatim
> to them.
>
> That was not said, so this is my impression.

I think they'll run some kind of network problem, reading data from their
network and giving them back some results. But is just a guess.

> We should have a team where thera are maybe three really
> fast programmers, and then another three who have a
> more theoretical or analytical bacground. All should be
> very creative people.
>
> Also, the communication during those 24 or 36 hours
> should be very fast, so in addition to mailing lists,
> we should use IRC.
>
> --------
>
> I'll be on our annual sailing/bridge playing cruise with
> the boys, but I sure as hell will keep my fingers crossed
> for our team!!

Too bad :( As I read your message I thought you would be joining us. So far
only two players in this game...


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June 19, 2003
Re: ICFP 2003
I can join you.
What is required from me?

Nic Tiger.

"Daniel Yokomiso" <daniel_yokomiso@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message
news:bcod1h$2b5o$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Hi,
>
>     The ICFP 2003 is coming ( http://icfpcontest.org/ ), going from
> 2003-06-28 to 2003-06-30. Are people here interested in losing a weekend
for
> it. I know I am ;)
>     As usual we have no idea about this year's task, but I think a team of
3
> to 6 developers should be enough. Also if we give it a shot and get
> ourselves a nice place we could get some attention for D.
>
>     Best regards,
>     Daniel Yokomiso.
>
> "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
the
> experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
disinclination
> to do so."
> - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See
>
>
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