On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 03:17:40PM +0000, Paul via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 14:41:20 UTC, GrandAxe wrote:
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> >D Language was chosen for its versatility. It is a language with high level syntax and low capabilities....
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> 
> Er, low capabilities???

He probably meant *low-level* capabilities.


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On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 17:52:14 UTC, Bill Baxter wrote:
> FYI most scams start without asking for money.  That usually comes later.
>
> You build up a reputation and buzz around your mechanical turk or perpetual motion machine or free energy device or whatever, then eventually make a pitch to investors to back you.
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> --bb

The end of September is just 3 weeks away, the end result will speak for itself.
For now, lets just be concerned that its being written in D.

On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 21:13:12 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 14:41:20 UTC, GrandAxe wrote:
>> Unnetworked personal mobile devices are the target platform for the standard implementation of OBI.
>
> What hardware/OS (if any) will you use? Depending on the answer: do you plan to submit PR to extend plattform support of the compiler as necessary? Compared to your agenda full D support on Android/iOS/bare metal may be easy... Anyway a large codebase may be a good compiler test for ARM (or whatever you use).

A final target platform has not yet been settled, the main thrust right now is for a successful demo. However phone OS's such as Android (especially) and iOS have the potential to throw up nightmare security issues, therefore might not be candidates. Also the platform will need to be unnetworked which might knock out phone OS's.

The demo will be PC based, after which it will be optimised for a number of target processors.

On Friday, 4 September 2015 at 20:48:54 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 14:41:20 UTC, GrandAxe wrote:
>> This is to inform the D Language community that the first viable general artificial algorithm is being written in D. It is called Organic Big data intelligence (OBI); the website is at www.okeuvo.com.
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>> Some of its capabilities are:
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>> 1. Ability to learn
>> 2. Ability to analyse
>> 3. Problem solving
>> 4. Moral judgement
>> 5. Ability to feel emotions
>> 6. Free will
>> 7. Consciousness
>> 8. Self awareness
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>> D Language was chosen for its versatility. It is a language with high level syntax and low capabilities, as well as excellent performance and being open source.
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>> Unnetworked personal mobile devices are the target platform for the standard implementation of OBI. A demonstration release is scheduled for the end of this month (September 2015). The demonstration release will comprehend English prose only, later releases will be able to process input from other languages, as well as sensory input.
>> OBI will be a mixture of open and closed source modules.
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>> To God be the Glory.
>>
>> Asame Obiomah
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> It seems to me that at least 5, 6 are counter-productive, and go against the goals stated in your website. Nevermind how difficulty it would be to implement them, it seems like you haven't thought this through carefully enough.
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> On the other hand, I'm curious to know why you chose D to make this announcement?

Can you expand on why you say 5, 6 are counter-productive? Bear in mind that even in human society, free will itself is limited in a lot of ways; by laws, customs, traditions, emotions, patterns (eg form follows function) etc. It will be the same for machines.

I chose D because of its capabilities (previously stated) as well as something I did not mention in my initial post; D is an open source, community effort not controlled by any major corporation; as much as is possible, strong AI should be owned by all so that it does not become a menace (cannot be overemphasised).

On the shamelessly selfish side, the choice of D offers me the opportunity to finally learn D after skirting the prospect for a number of years. :)

There is also the possibility that certain plugins will be written in C# since it has a robust query language implementation (LINQ) and is now open source too.

On Sunday, 6 September 2015 at 09:42:53 UTC, Grand_Axe wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 21:13:12 UTC, anonymous wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 14:41:20 UTC, GrandAxe wrote:
>>> Unnetworked personal mobile devices are the target platform for the standard implementation of OBI.
>>
>> What hardware/OS (if any) will you use? Depending on the answer: do you plan to submit PR to extend plattform support of the compiler as necessary? Compared to your agenda full D support on Android/iOS/bare metal may be easy... Anyway a large codebase may be a good compiler test for ARM (or whatever you use).
>
> A final target platform has not yet been settled, the main thrust right now is for a successful demo. However phone OS's such as Android (especially) and iOS have the potential to throw up nightmare security issues, therefore might not be candidates. Also the platform will need to be unnetworked which might knock out phone OS's.
>
> The demo will be PC based, after which it will be optimised for a number of target processors.

Summary:
1. OBI uses big data
2. no network
3. portable

Conclusion:
OBI runs on a portable device with sufficient resources to process big data in realtime (I want OBI to answer immediately) - no laptop.

I am looking forward for such a device - I want it as least as fast as a XEON cpu, 32 GB+ RAM and a battery life of at least several hours.

I guess your demo will be some kind of console-based ELIZA.

"emacs -> M-x doctor" is quite good:)

On Saturday, 5 September 2015 at 15:17:43 UTC, Paul wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 at 14:41:20 UTC, GrandAxe wrote:
>
>> D Language was chosen for its versatility. It is a language with high level syntax and low capabilities....
>
>
> Er, low capabilities???

Obviously, he means low level, as opposed to "high level" ... close to the machine. I find it hard to imagine that anyone with an IQ higher than that of a turnip could fail to understand what he's saying there, or why he announced here (because, of course, it's a major project written in D).

While the claims are grandiose, implausible, and invite skepticism, this fellow seems to know more than many his critics, some of whom are pointlessly rude and verging on racism with talk of "Nigerian software". The sensible thing is to just wait and see, expecting nothing. Perhaps we'll all be wildly surprised.

On Sunday, 6 September 2015 at 22:49:17 UTC, jqb wrote:
> While the claims are grandiose, implausible, and invite skepticism, this fellow seems to know more than many his critics, some of whom are pointlessly rude and verging on racism with talk of "Nigerian software". The sensible thing is to just wait and see, expecting nothing. Perhaps we'll all be wildly surprised.

There are computer games that present free will like behaviour: Little Computer People from the 80s and Creatures from the 90s. The latter used genetics and neural networks.

But first release by the last quarter of 2016 makes the announcement a bit premature.

On Sunday, 6 September 2015 at 22:49:17 UTC, jqb wrote:
> verging on racism with talk of "Nigerian software"

The term has nothing to do with racism. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scams
AFAIK, in Russia, my home, this type of scam is commonly known as "Nigerian letters": https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нигерийские_письма
I assume you're an American, because Americans are obsessed with racism and overly sensitive in general, they like to bring such things up. Funny fact: in Russia, we call black people negros, and it's completely normal, just like calling Chinese or Georgian people asian. On the other hand, pointing out skin color _is_ racist here, no matter if it's black, yellow or white. All this stuff is completely culture-dependent, after all.

On the topic: I agree that being rude is not the way do discuss things, especially in an IT community (we strive to be smarter than the majority of people, don't we?). But I understand the skepticism in comments. Best scientists study inner workings of human brain and are working on theory of consciousness if you will, but current results are far from even understanding it completely, let alone building an AI.

And then GrandAxe pops up with this revolutionary software, claiming that Okeuvo company built an AI. However, that claim is not supported by anything and reminds me of the Unlimited Detail technology by Euclideon, which was announced in a similar manner, promising a revolution in graphics rendering. As you can see, it's far from it, despite the fact they were given $2 million by the Australian government. It seems like this revolution takes a little bit more effort, than was anticipated :)
And there's no reason to think Okeuvo's technology is different in that sense.

In general, I tend to not trust people, who claim that their technology _will_ do this and that, revolutionize something and so on. Show me a working technology first, sell it later. Otherwise it's nothing but promises, and I'm not interested in that, because everybody can create a website and make promises. This thread should be posted at the release date, with "will do something" replaced by "does something", supported by a working demo that anybody can download without giving up their social security number, sexual preferences and whatnot. And in this particular case, it should be also supported by scientific papers, since they claim to solve such a huge scientific problem of the 21th century.

On Wednesday, 9 September 2015 at 14:47:40 UTC, burjui wrote:
> And then GrandAxe pops up with this revolutionary software, claiming that Okeuvo company built an AI. However, that claim is not supported by anything and reminds me of the Unlimited Detail technology by Euclideon, which was announced in a similar manner, promising a revolution in graphics rendering. As you can see, it's far from it, despite the fact they were given $2 million by the Australian government. It seems like this revolution takes a little bit more effort, than was anticipated :)
> And there's no reason to think Okeuvo's technology is different in that sense.

Oh well, I believe Manu is working for Euclideon and would like to use D for their renderer if it was possible. I like what their tech-demos display, but the storage requirements suggest that it is more useful for specialized application domains than entertainment for now.

Sometimes it can be important to announce something just in order to get yourself focused on it, like a start pistol. Maybe GrandAxe has some ideas that will lead to something useful for end users even if the mechanisms might be simpler than we expect them to be.

He only seems to have announced it here and on reddit, so it let's assume he is only excited to get started on his mission and isn't conducting search engine optimizations by having back links from the forums.

I am slightly behind schedule with the coding. The main logic is only getting completed today.

The system should be ready for first looks by the 9th of October.