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September 22, 2003
D evolution
Some time ago, Walter stated that will be no more (important) modifications in
the language. I would simply suggest that, if some modifications are required,
this is the right time to do it, including syntax, concepts (if necessarily),
before the R1.0 come out. And before that major D-written projects begin.
If some modifications are a necessity, they sould be made. Building on artefacts
(hey, I did not say there are artefacts in D!) is simply the same problem as in
C++.

Also, just my opinion...

Felix
September 22, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
Tried without success. Any ideas?

Albin

Charles Sanders wrote:
> Weird, try to recomplie DIGC (run C:/dig/go.bat ) with .73, dide ships with
> .72 I believe.
> 
> Thanks,
> C
September 23, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
In article <bke2kp$27fu$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Charles Sanders wrote:
> Its a bit pre-mature, a couple problems with the code browser and I plan to
> redo the interface but this will work with .69 and greater.
> 
> For next release:
> 
> Code Completeion
> Dide packages
> Project import / export
> Fix any bugs you report :)
> 
> Id also like some feedback on what you think could be improved, and also
> some general ideas on what would make an IDE great, no matter how crazy or
> how difficult to implement.
> 
> Thanks,
> Charles

Cool, new features!  But I think that about the best feature is that the
annoying "smart" brace-insertion can be turned off now. :)

By the way, it says that I have to restart DIDE when I turned them off -- but
I didn't and they worked straight away!

- About the culprit that tries to access C:\ -- I it's digc. I didn't even try
to recompile it, and someone said that it even can't be recompiled, but I found
a hardcoded string "c:" in digc.exe that was found in h:\dmd\bin\. I changed it
to "h:" and now it works.

And there's still something on my DIDE wishlist:

- "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
 should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
 editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
 projects" à la MSVC?

More comments when I am allowed some more time with the thing. Good work!

-Antti, becoming old and lazy and needing an IDE for everything...
September 23, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
> - "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
>   should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
>   editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
>   projects" à la MSVC?

"Antti Sykäri" <jsykari@gamma.hut.fi> wrote in message
news:slrnbn1h3q.dbp.jsykari@pulu.hut.fi...
> In article <bke2kp$27fu$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Charles Sanders wrote:
> > Its a bit pre-mature, a couple problems with the code browser and I plan
to
> > redo the interface but this will work with .69 and greater.
> >
> > For next release:
> >
> > Code Completeion
> > Dide packages
> > Project import / export
> > Fix any bugs you report :)
> >
> > Id also like some feedback on what you think could be improved, and also
> > some general ideas on what would make an IDE great, no matter how crazy
or
> > how difficult to implement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Charles
>
> Cool, new features!  But I think that about the best feature is that the
> annoying "smart" brace-insertion can be turned off now. :)
>
> By the way, it says that I have to restart DIDE when I turned them off -- 
but
> I didn't and they worked straight away!
>
> - About the culprit that tries to access C:\ -- I it's digc. I didn't even
try
> to recompile it, and someone said that it even can't be recompiled, but I
found
> a hardcoded string "c:" in digc.exe that was found in h:\dmd\bin\. I
changed it
> to "h:" and now it works.
>
> And there's still something on my DIDE wishlist:
>
> - "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
>   should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
>   editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
>   projects" à la MSVC?
>
> More comments when I am allowed some more time with the thing. Good work!
>
> -Antti, becoming old and lazy and needing an IDE for everything...
>
September 23, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
Oops, hit enter to fast

> - "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
>   should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
>   editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
>   projects" à la MSVC?

Next release :).  Although Ill have to work out a way for the projects to
not become part of the recent files list.

> > - About the culprit that tries to access C:\ -- I it's digc. I didn't
even
> try
> > to recompile it, and someone said that it even can't be recompiled, but
I
> found
> > a hardcoded string "c:" in digc.exe that was found in h:\dmd\bin\. I
> changed it
> > to "h:" and now it works.

Aha!  Great, I'll use Matthew's registry lib and just pull the value from
the registry at runtime, thanks for that!


> > -Antti, becoming old and lazy and needing an IDE for everything...

lol, Im also going to add a "This file has been modified outside of the
editor, update ? " function so you can use emacs and DIDE ( like I do with
MSVC! )

C
"Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bkqk71$1nid$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > - "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
> >   should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
> >   editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
> >   projects" à la MSVC?
>
> "Antti Sykäri" <jsykari@gamma.hut.fi> wrote in message
> news:slrnbn1h3q.dbp.jsykari@pulu.hut.fi...
> > In article <bke2kp$27fu$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Charles Sanders wrote:
> > > Its a bit pre-mature, a couple problems with the code browser and I
plan
> to
> > > redo the interface but this will work with .69 and greater.
> > >
> > > For next release:
> > >
> > > Code Completeion
> > > Dide packages
> > > Project import / export
> > > Fix any bugs you report :)
> > >
> > > Id also like some feedback on what you think could be improved, and
also
> > > some general ideas on what would make an IDE great, no matter how
crazy
> or
> > > how difficult to implement.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Charles
> >
> > Cool, new features!  But I think that about the best feature is that the
> > annoying "smart" brace-insertion can be turned off now. :)
> >
> > By the way, it says that I have to restart DIDE when I turned them
off -- 
> but
> > I didn't and they worked straight away!
> >
> > - About the culprit that tries to access C:\ -- I it's digc. I didn't
even
> try
> > to recompile it, and someone said that it even can't be recompiled, but
I
> found
> > a hardcoded string "c:" in digc.exe that was found in h:\dmd\bin\. I
> changed it
> > to "h:" and now it works.
> >
> > And there's still something on my DIDE wishlist:
> >
> > - "Open file", also invoked from the "Recent files" part of File menu,
> >   should be able to open projects (now it just opens them in the text
> >   editor) Or maybe this is a feature? :O Maybe include a "Recent
> >   projects" à la MSVC?
> >
> > More comments when I am allowed some more time with the thing. Good
work!
> >
> > -Antti, becoming old and lazy and needing an IDE for everything...
> >
>
>
September 23, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:46:18 -0700, "Charles Sanders"
<sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote:

>Great Ideas!
>
>I defintly want to plug in to the repository and have it searchable, soon as Benji gets it complete I'll want to do that.
>

I'm glad you mentioned this. Since it seems like a reasonable (and
easy) request, I'll create an http-xml api that you can use to query
the repository's database. Something along the lines of:

http://domain.com/xml/request.php?query=downloadPackages&project=dig

And that would return an xml file that looks something like this:

<repository>
	<query
echo="http://domain.com/xml/request.php?query=downloadPackages&project=dig"/>
	<files>
		<file>
			<details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
platform="linux" date="2003/11/29"/>
			<download format="tgz"
url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_2_0_2.tag.gz"/>
		</file>
		<file>
			<details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
platform="win32" date="2003/11/29"/>
			<download format="zip"
url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_2_0_2.zip"/>
		</file>
		<file>
			<details project="dig" version="1.9.32"
platform="linux" date="2003/10/02"/>
			<download format="tgz"
url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_1_9_32.tag.gz"/>
		</file>
		<file>
			<details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
platform="win32" date="2003/10/02"/>
			<download format="tgz"
url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_1_9_32.zip"/>
		</file>
	</files>
</repository>


.....or something like that.

Anyhow, don't pay too much attention to the actual format. Just let it
be said that I plan on supplying xml access to repository information.
For now, it will strictly be over http (because I don't feel like
learning another protocol right now).

--Benji
September 24, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
Coolness, hows the site coming ?
"Benji Smith" <dlanguage@xxagg.com> wrote in message
news:d9m1nvgh3dgn0r2kp70ijr3biqgn5mce82@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:46:18 -0700, "Charles Sanders"
> <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Great Ideas!
> >
> >I defintly want to plug in to the repository and have it searchable, soon
as Benji gets it complete I'll want to do that.
> >
>
> I'm glad you mentioned this. Since it seems like a reasonable (and
> easy) request, I'll create an http-xml api that you can use to query
> the repository's database. Something along the lines of:
>
> http://domain.com/xml/request.php?query=downloadPackages&project=dig
>
> And that would return an xml file that looks something like this:
>
> <repository>
> <query
>
echo="http://domain.com/xml/request.php?query=downloadPackages&project=dig"/
>
> <files>
> <file>
> <details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
> platform="linux" date="2003/11/29"/>
> <download format="tgz"
> url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_2_0_2.tag.gz"/>
> </file>
> <file>
> <details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
> platform="win32" date="2003/11/29"/>
> <download format="zip"
> url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_2_0_2.zip"/>
> </file>
> <file>
> <details project="dig" version="1.9.32"
> platform="linux" date="2003/10/02"/>
> <download format="tgz"
> url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_1_9_32.tag.gz"/>
> </file>
> <file>
> <details project="dig" version="2.0.2"
> platform="win32" date="2003/10/02"/>
> <download format="tgz"
> url="http://domain.com/downloads/dig/dig_1_9_32.zip"/>
> </file>
> </files>
> </repository>
>
>
> .....or something like that.
>
> Anyhow, don't pay too much attention to the actual format. Just let it
> be said that I plan on supplying xml access to repository information.
> For now, it will strictly be over http (because I don't feel like
> learning another protocol right now).
>
> --Benji
>
September 24, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:05:23 -0700, "Charles Sanders"
<sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote:

>Coolness, hows the site coming ?

The repository site is coming along. But it's a little bit stalled at
the moment. I got into a car accident last week, so I'm spending a lot
of time at the chiropractor, talking with insurance companies, talking
with lawyers, and shopping for a new car. Plus I have an actual job
that occupies a bit of my time, 2 hours of commuting every day, and,
oh yeah, a wife and 2 kids.

Plus, I got really frustrated with the GForge code. There are
hard-coded paths EVERYWHERE in the source code. Plus, their code is
really tied to CVS, and I'm planning on doing source control through
subversion. So I ditched the GForge code, and now I'm in the process
of stitching together a handful of products from other vendors (like
phpBB and phpBT) so that they'll all be one big unified system.

Let it be said: THERE WILL BE A D REPOSITORY SITE.

And it will be done as soon as humanly possible, given the rest of my
situation. Thanks to everyone for being patient.

--Benji
September 24, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
Just chill, and look after yourself. It'll happen when it happens, and we'll
still be wanting to use it.


"Benji Smith" <dlanguage@xxagg.com> wrote in message
news:hh44nv4apr7prcm1ilcbs6avnfc4athfk9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:05:23 -0700, "Charles Sanders"
> <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Coolness, hows the site coming ?
>
> The repository site is coming along. But it's a little bit stalled at
> the moment. I got into a car accident last week, so I'm spending a lot
> of time at the chiropractor, talking with insurance companies, talking
> with lawyers, and shopping for a new car. Plus I have an actual job
> that occupies a bit of my time, 2 hours of commuting every day, and,
> oh yeah, a wife and 2 kids.
>
> Plus, I got really frustrated with the GForge code. There are
> hard-coded paths EVERYWHERE in the source code. Plus, their code is
> really tied to CVS, and I'm planning on doing source control through
> subversion. So I ditched the GForge code, and now I'm in the process
> of stitching together a handful of products from other vendors (like
> phpBB and phpBT) so that they'll all be one big unified system.
>
> Let it be said: THERE WILL BE A D REPOSITORY SITE.
>
> And it will be done as soon as humanly possible, given the rest of my
> situation. Thanks to everyone for being patient.
>
> --Benji
September 24, 2003
Re: DIDE .98
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:18:24 +1000, "Matthew Wilson"
<matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote:

>Just chill, and look after yourself. It'll happen when it happens, and we'll
>still be wanting to use it.

Nothing beats the chiropractor for just chillin. I could stay there
all day....

--Benji
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