In article <c674a6$2uva$1@digitaldaemon.com>, J C Calvarese says...
>
>Ant wrote:
>> In article <c67023$2o6a$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kris says...
>> 
>>>"J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message news:c66vp3$2mbs$2@digitaldaemon.com...
>>>
>>>><random brilliant idea>
>>>>On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
>>>>forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
>>>></random brilliant idea>
>>>
>>>Well, we should perhaps offload some of this to dsource.org ...
>>>
>> 
>> Please don't!
>> the dsource.org forums are unreadable.
>> 
>> Ant
>
>How are they "unreadable"?
>
>And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can claim.

that's good, but.

They lack a simple list of the post headers.

Ant
PS yes I posted this twice

Ant wrote:

> They lack a simple list of the post headers.

Do they, then?

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=8378.0

This is a post by me.  As you can see, it has:
  - my name, and a link to get more information on me.
  - my position and some basic information about me.
  - ways of contacting me such as email, personal message, instant message handles, etc.
  - a link to my website.

As well, administrators can see IPs.  I don't see where any of the information you'd want in the headers of newgroups is missing from here.

Most other forums provide similar amounts of information.  Further, this information - including the signature - can automatically update when you change it.  If you change the URL to your website because your host dropped you, there won't be a zillion dead links laying everywhere on the forum.

-[Unknown]

A lots of classification could be interesting.

d.newbies
d.advanced
d.compilerBugs
d.appBugs
d.inTheNews
d.features

and maybe some hot specific topics like

d.generic
d.gc
d.interoperability
d.linux
d.windows
d.optimization
d.library

lacs wrote:

> A lots of classification could be interesting.
>
> d.newbies
> d.advanced
> d.compilerBugs
> d.appBugs
> d.inTheNews
> d.features
>
> and maybe some hot specific topics like
>
> d.generic
> d.gc
> d.interoperability
> d.linux
> d.windows
> d.optimization
> d.library
>
I don't know.  I normally stick to one newsroom.

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson@badmama.com.au> wrote in message news:c66u2g$2kug$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> J Anderson wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
> > bug-reports.  Parhaps
> > D.feature
> > D.newbies
> > D.bugs
> >
> > or just D.feature and D.newbies
> >
> >I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if they fully intend to ask a newbie question.
> >
> >
> Good idea!
>
>
> Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for
common bugs).
> Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just compiler
bugs.  But that may cross the borders of how to.
>
> *Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.  Then
each bug code could be include in the subject line (a convention).

Excellent point!! (Also need line numbers with every msg)

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson@badmama.com.au> wrote in message news:c66ud0$2kug$2@digitaldaemon.com...
> J C Calvarese wrote:
>
> > J Anderson wrote:
> >
> >> Matthew wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the
> >>> volume, and I
> >>> know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly
> >>> compiler updates <G>
> >>> because of it.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we
> >>> should have
> >>> D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
> >> bug-reports.  Parhaps
> >> D.feature
> >> D.newbies
> >> D.bugs
> >>
> >> or just D.feature and D.newbies
> >
> >
> > or just D.feature and D.bugs
> >
> > I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK THE F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!
> >
> Could work.  Then D.bugs would become the noob group.  It could be D.problems.
>
> Another name alternative noob name .... D.help.

d.intro

I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.

How about

d - language stuff (already exists)
d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
d.intro - newbies
d.bugs - bugs
d.phobos - library issues

Walter, do you have an opinion on this? (please)

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson@badmama.com.au> wrote in message news:c677cg$1q1$2@digitaldaemon.com...
> lacs wrote:
>
> > A lots of classification could be interesting.
> >
> > d.newbies
> > d.advanced
> > d.compilerBugs
> > d.appBugs
> > d.inTheNews
> > d.features
> >
> > and maybe some hot specific topics like
> >
> > d.generic
> > d.gc
> > d.interoperability
> > d.linux
> > d.windows
> > d.optimization
> > d.library
> >
> I don't know.  I normally stick to one newsroom.
>
> -- 
> -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Matthew wrote:

> I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug
> reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.
> 
> How about
> 
> d - language stuff (already exists)
> d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
> d.intro - newbies
> d.bugs - bugs
> d.phobos - library issues

Personally - I like phobos, but I still think "intro" is too newbie-ish.  Even if it's for newbies, they won't use it.  Please see the discussion in "What Groups?" under this same thread.

But ultimately, I agree it would be best to hear Walter's opinions on this should he have a chance or the time to give them.

-[Unknown]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:36:17 +1000, Matthew wrote:

> I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.

Generally I agree, but what about 'oldbie' questions? ;-)

> How about
> 
> d - language stuff (already exists)
> d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
> d.intro - newbies

I still prefer d.help as its purpose is to discuss things that people (newbies, oldbies, whatever...) want help about.

> d.bugs - bugs

Its purpose would be to submit bug reports and discuss potential fixes/workarounds.

-- 
Derek
22/Apr/04 11:47:25 AM

>> Votes?
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>| For
>| -------
>
>Matthew
>J Anderson
>J C Calvarese
>Unknown
>Ant
>Stephan Wienczny
>C. Sauls
>Carlos Santander
>Kris
>
>| Against
>| -------
Juan C -- and other aliases -- Then I would have to read two groups? You want to cause _me_ more work so _you_ don't have to? How wude! (picture Jarjar)

Besides, things will be misposted, or double-posted; so you'll have to read both as well and it'll take longer.

Best solution is for a moderator to direct the messages to the appropriate list
(ugh).