"Maxime Larose" <mlarose@broadsoft.com> wrote in message news:d3lu7o$11bg$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> If I may complement my ealier proposal, it should be obvious that subject
> experts should have some kind of real-life industry knowledge and
> experience
> in the field... The last thing we want is having new grads drafting
> proposals... (not that I have anything against new grads mind you).
>
> The subjects experts could even be voted on by the community itself (with prehaps Walter having a veto).
>
> Max

I'm not sure what you are referring to. What new grad and what proposal do you object to?

"Maxime Larose" <mlarose@broadsoft.com> wrote in message news:d3lu7o$11bg$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> If I may complement my ealier proposal, it should be obvious that subject
> experts should have some kind of real-life industry knowledge and
> experience
> in the field... The last thing we want is having new grads drafting
> proposals... (not that I have anything against new grads mind you).
>
> The subjects experts could even be voted on by the community itself (with prehaps Walter having a veto).
>
> Max

If you were referring to me here are some google search strings for info about my background (google find me back to 1985). "hinkle hackers guide to adam" (made $20K on those books which was good money in high-school). In 85 or so I switched to the mac. I was the primary coder for later releases of MacMath (google for "Cornell MacMath") in the late 80's early 90's. Did non-commercial coding in grad school. Then in 99 went to "real" commercial software houses - but honestly it's the same thing as the commercial stuff I did in the 80's and 90's.

Even if you weren't referring to me it was fun for me to surf around through the past and relive those good ol' days. Enjoy the time-warp. :-)

> Then in 99 went to "real" commercial software houses
oops - meant 98.

In article <d3lu7o$11bg$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Maxime Larose says...
>
>If I may complement my ealier proposal, it should be obvious that subject experts should have some kind of real-life industry knowledge and experience in the field... The last thing we want is having new grads drafting proposals... (not that I have anything against new grads mind you).

FWIW, I've heard fantastic suggestions from "new grads" and terrible suggestions from seasoned programmers.  I would rather evaluate each suggestion on its own merit than filter based on experience.

>The subjects experts could even be voted on by the community itself (with prehaps Walter having a veto).

I don't know how well an official vote would work in this forum, but every topic gets an implicit vote through responses.  It's generally pretty easy to tell who likes an idea and who doesn't even without a show of hands.


Sean

> from seasoned programmers.  I would rather evaluate each suggestion on its
own
> merit than filter based on experience.

I absolutely agree. I couldn't care less about experience myself. What I was trying to say is that the person writing the official draf should have enough experience to weighs the pros and the cons of each design/architecture approach. Like it or not, the more stuff you have seen, the more you know about what is done in the field (and perhaps more importantly what shouldn't be done). A perspective that newbies lack. How do you know a design is better than another? Often, the poor design looks "fishy" without you really knowing what is wrong with it. By thinking more about it, the problems with the fishy design are exposed. Call it whatever you want (intuition, etc.), in my book that's experience. Granted there are "experienced" people that are experienced at making crap. They wouldn't know a bad design from a good one if you explained it to them a 100 times. I'd take a newbie anytime over these people.

I'm *not* suggesting we filter any suggestion based on experience. As you say, let every suggestion stand on its own merit.

(And no Ben, I wasn't referring to you! ;)

Max


"Sean Kelly" <sean@f4.ca> wrote in message news:d3m9sq$1e5t$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> In article <d3lu7o$11bg$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Maxime Larose says...
> >
> >If I may complement my ealier proposal, it should be obvious that subject experts should have some kind of real-life industry knowledge and
experience
> >in the field... The last thing we want is having new grads drafting proposals... (not that I have anything against new grads mind you).
>
> FWIW, I've heard fantastic suggestions from "new grads" and terrible
suggestions
> from seasoned programmers.  I would rather evaluate each suggestion on its
own
> merit than filter based on experience.
>
> >The subjects experts could even be voted on by the community itself (with prehaps Walter having a veto).
>
> I don't know how well an official vote would work in this forum, but every
topic
> gets an implicit vote through responses.  It's generally pretty easy to
tell who
> likes an idea and who doesn't even without a show of hands.
>
>
> Sean
>
>

Maxime Larose wrote:
> 
> I absolutely agree. I couldn't care less about experience myself. What I was
> trying to say is that the person writing the official draf should have
> enough experience to weighs the pros and the cons of each
> design/architecture approach. Like it or not, the more stuff you have seen,
> the more you know about what is done in the field (and perhaps more
> importantly what shouldn't be done). A perspective that newbies lack. How do
> you know a design is better than another? Often, the poor design looks
> "fishy" without you really knowing what is wrong with it. By thinking more
> about it, the problems with the fishy design are exposed. Call it whatever
> you want (intuition, etc.), in my book that's experience. Granted there are
> "experienced" people that are experienced at making crap. They wouldn't know
> a bad design from a good one if you explained it to them a 100 times. I'd
> take a newbie anytime over these people.

LOL!

> 
> I'm *not* suggesting we filter any suggestion based on experience. As you
> say, let every suggestion stand on its own merit.
> 
> (And no Ben, I wasn't referring to you! ;)
> 
> Max
> 
> 

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