In article <d6d7ko$8ru$2@digitaldaemon.com>, David Medlock says...
>(sorry for the diversion here)
>
>Well I guess we are all young and ignorant at some point.
>
>Perhaps one day bobef will realize that military force is exactly what allows him to post such nonsense and to decide what license to apply to his property.
>
>Maybe at some point in the future bobef will lose the freedoms he takes for granted, or perhaps just begin appreciate the presence of people better than himself who chose to defend his liberties.
>
>I will leave you on your journey down that river in Egypt... -DavidM


Maaan you sound so like an american to me... so brainwashed and naive...

> But if my program tomorow is used to write new NASA
> (or whatever) software that will guide their atom bombs I prefer to smash
my
> computer and never develop anything again!

Hmm, NASA generally does not make bombs , nor fire them.  If you are going for the 'down with america' theme , at least get your facts straight :).

Where are you from by chance ?

Charlie



"bobef" <bobef_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:d6dljv$m99$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> In article <d6d8kq$a2s$1@digitaldaemon.com>, John Reimer says...
> >
> >bobef wrote:
> >> In article <d6d0vg$34v$1@digitaldaemon.com>, John Reimer says...
> >>
> >>>Nice looking project... but your license is totally bizarre... and
would
> >>>alienate every potential user on this planet in some form or another, including yourself -- see "unwanted users."
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes I know :( I will rewrite the license these days. I just wrote some
things I
> >> don't like and I named people doing them "unwanted users" :) But it is
free for
> >> anybody you know. I don't want to stop anyone from using it... Exept
military of
> >> course :)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >What's so sad is that an appreciation for your skills can be lost so quickly when you introduce philosophical opinions like this into your work.  Poof!  Suddenly the camaraderie of the developer world is gone.
> >
> >It's best to stay away from displaying your opinions so readily.  You might find people more receptive if you kept such opinions for more discerning occasions.  I really think you are setting yourself up for disaster.  I hope you are thick skinned because your introduction went very badly.
> >
> >-JJR
>
> Telling my opinion is important for me. I am what I am because I have one.
I
> don't care if someone likes it or not. I do this program because *I* need
it. I
> will be more than happy if it usefull for someone else and will be happy
to make
> it suitable for more people. But if my program tomorow is used to write
new NASA
> (or whatever) software that will guide their atom bombs I prefer to smash
my
> computer and never develop anything again!
>
>

In article <d6dn4s$nme$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...
>
>> But if my program tomorow is used to write new NASA
>> (or whatever) software that will guide their atom bombs I prefer to smash
>my
>> computer and never develop anything again!
>
>Hmm, NASA generally does not make bombs , nor fire them.  If you are going for the 'down with america' theme , at least get your facts straight :).
>
>Where are you from by chance ?
>
>Charlie
>
>

Yes I know they don't make fire arms or stuff. They make other things that helps
military. But NASA or whatever. Other things I don't like about NASA:
Their rockets burns so much of my air, ozone and stuff. Also the money they give
to make useless pictures of moon or mars and make single serving rockets and
stuff they could do something really good for humanity rather than sending
useless toys that makes pictures of a useless planets. Go to the desert and take
pictures. It will be cheaper and look the same. And the of both pictures will be
equally useless...

I am from Bulgaria but I don't think that makes any difference. I say things agains america but it is wrong to talk about all people there equally and am sorry about that...

On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:09:46 +0200, Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:

> John Reimer wrote:

> Well, he ain't sticking his head in the sand, that's for sure...

Then you didn't get my context... He is in one very important respect.

> BTW, did everyone just lose it? I'm feeling really strong about this subject, but I wouldn't dream about making such statements (meaning the entire range of statements) in this group. The linux part is somewhat more connected, but still.
>

By answering the above way, Lars, you became just as much a part of this
conversation as everyone else.  It's funny that one person stating his
opinion is normal, while other's responding with their own is "losing it"?
 Very strange.

-JJR

On Tue, 17 May 2005 20:53:19 +0000, bobef wrote:

> 
> Telling my opinion is important for me. I am what I am because I have one. I don't care if someone likes it or not. I do this program because *I* need it. I will be more than happy if it usefull for someone else and will be happy to make it suitable for more people. But if my program tomorow is used to write new NASA (or whatever) software that will guide their atom bombs I prefer to smash my computer and never develop anything again!

That's fine.  I just hope you willing to accept then that other's feel it to be just as important to respond with theirs.

BTW smashing your computer and never developing again isn't such a bad idea.  The people who make your computer probably also sell hardware to military, war, nuclear plants... etc.  Its a sad world.  And you are contributing to it just as much as you paid to keep those animals in the cage at the zoo (see forum).

I have my pet peeves with this world too.  I choose when and where I talk about them.  To your credit, most of this "off-topic" discussion would have stayed on your site if you had not announced your new ide here.

-JJR

> Hitler loves people like you.  It made his job easier.

That's out of line.

In article <pan.2005.05.18.01.01.57.147277@yahoo.com>, John Reimer says...
>
>That's fine.  I just hope you willing to accept then that other's feel it to be just as important to respond with theirs.
>
Yes. I am happy with that.

>BTW smashing your computer and never developing again isn't such a bad idea.  The people who make your computer probably also sell hardware to military, war, nuclear plants... etc.  Its a sad world.  And you are contributing to it just as much as you paid to keep those animals in the cage at the zoo (see forum).
>
When I bought my computer I didn't think the way I think today. And your right - it is sad world. Maybe if today I'm contributong to it tomorow I will not but just because today I think the way I think. You have to start from somewhere don't you think? And I can't start when I'm 10 years old (this when I got my first computer)... So atleast I'm at some point and I work on myself to stop contributing to make the world sad at it is today. Most people doesn't seem to care at all so I think it is good that I started...

>I have my pet peeves with this world too.  I choose when and where I talk about them.  To your credit, most of this "off-topic" discussion would have stayed on your site if you had not announced your new ide here.
>
Well I thought this was the place to announce D-related things, isn't it? The funny this is I didn't get a signle response about my software just for my opinions for the world... And actually I announced my IDE not my license.

On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:35:57 +0300, Lionello Lunesu wrote:

>> Hitler loves people like you.  It made his job easier.
> 
> That's out of line.

Why? Too severe? Too true?  Maybe I should have made the comment less personal?  Is using the word "Hitler" in a sentence too controversial?

My comment was made merely to stress that bullies always love those that
refuse to resist or can't resist for whatever reason, because that is
the nature of bullying.  History is full of examples; Hitler was by far
not alone: see the legacy of Lenin, Stalin, and Pol Pot.  See the horrors
inflicted by the Hutu on Tutsi's in Africa. History is full of
such abominations. So to make a blanket statement that military power is
wrong is to be missing the point completely.  Yes, war is evil; yes,
military might is ugly.  But we must think carefully before denigrating
the military as an entity itself because while it is capable of great
horror, it is also capable of great protection.  With it people get
slaughtered; without it, people get slaughtered.

No country on this earth is innocent of lies, propaganda, and deceit.  But the to the lay the blame on one organization is too think uncritically. The root of the problem goes much deeper.

That said, bobef is the kind of person that speaks his mind... wouldn't he understand my reason for being sharply to the point?

At any rate, perhaps this /whole/ discussion was out of line.

- John

On Wed, 18 May 2005 07:08:06 +0000, bobef wrote:

> In article <pan.2005.05.18.01.01.57.147277@yahoo.com>, John Reimer says...
>>
>>That's fine.  I just hope you willing to accept then that other's feel it to be just as important to respond with theirs.
>>
> Yes. I am happy with that.
> 
>>BTW smashing your computer and never developing again isn't such a bad idea.  The people who make your computer probably also sell hardware to military, war, nuclear plants... etc.  Its a sad world.  And you are contributing to it just as much as you paid to keep those animals in the cage at the zoo (see forum).
>>
> When I bought my computer I didn't think the way I think today. And your right - it is sad world. Maybe if today I'm contributong to it tomorow I will not but just because today I think the way I think. You have to start from somewhere don't you think? And I can't start when I'm 10 years old (this when I got my first computer)... So atleast I'm at some point and I work on myself to stop contributing to make the world sad at it is today. Most people doesn't seem to care at all so I think it is good that I started...
>

Fair enough.


>>I have my pet peeves with this world too.  I choose when and where I talk about them.  To your credit, most of this "off-topic" discussion would have stayed on your site if you had not announced your new ide here.
>>
> Well I thought this was the place to announce D-related things, isn't it? The funny this is I didn't get a signle response about my software just for my opinions for the world... And actually I announced my IDE not my license.

He he... didn't take long to get a reaction, I guess.  At least you got a thorough review of your opinions. ;-)

All the best,

John

John Reimer wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:09:46 +0200, Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
> 
>> John Reimer wrote:
> 
>> Well, he ain't sticking his head in the sand, that's for sure...
> 
> Then you didn't get my context... He is in one very important respect.
> 
>> BTW, did everyone just lose it? I'm feeling really strong about this subject, but I wouldn't dream about making such statements (meaning the entire range of statements) in this group. The linux part is somewhat more connected, but still.
>>
> 
> By answering the above way, Lars, you became just as much a part of this
> conversation as everyone else.  It's funny that one person stating his
> opinion is normal, while other's responding with their own is "losing it"?
>  Very strange.
> 
> -JJR

Maybe "losing it" were harsh, but I wasn't excluding bobef from my statements, either.

Lars Ivar Igesund