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April 04, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
Walter Bright Wrote:

> LOL. I'm not sitting here with a pack of lawyers itching to sic them on 
> somebody. Heck, I've been putting more and more of phobos into the 
> public domain.

Indeed, I've never suspected so.  I tend to go on what people say is okay with them.  According to the definition, practically any programming after having seen an example of a for loop is an offense; so it's reasonable to be sure one isn't stepping on the wrong toes.

I agree with the issues you raised, and don't intend to violate those.

More or less though, I feel it would border on treason to the community if I continued to develop and release Walnut 2.x when you felt I'd essentially produced a derived work that should remain constricted to GPL.

Considering what you're last post stated, I can almost assume that you feel Walnut 2.x at Revision 44 is okay, and that I can continue work, as long as your files aren't open.  :p

I pretty much just feel I need a yes or no from ya.  :p
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
Dan wrote:
> Walter Bright Wrote:
> 
>> LOL. I'm not sitting here with a pack of lawyers itching to sic them on 
>> somebody. Heck, I've been putting more and more of phobos into the 
>> public domain.
> 
> Indeed, I've never suspected so.  I tend to go on what people say is okay with them.
> According to the definition, practically any programming after having 
seen an example of
> a for loop is an offense;

No, I don't think so. Copyright does not apply to algorithms, nor does 
it apply to specific numbers or identifiers. You cannot copyright a 
phrase. You cannot copyright quicksort, but you can copyright your 
implementation of quicksort.

> so it's reasonable to be sure one isn't stepping on the wrong toes.
> 
> I agree with the issues you raised, and don't intend to violate those.
> 
> More or less though, I feel it would border on treason to the community if I continued
> to develop and release Walnut 2.x when you felt I'd essentially 
produced a derived work
> that should remain constricted to GPL.

I don't have an opinion on whether you produced a derived work or not, 
since I haven't looked at the code.

> Considering what you're last post stated, I can almost assume that you feel Walnut 2.x
> at Revision 44 is okay, and that I can continue work, as long as your 
files aren't open.
> :p
> 
> I pretty much just feel I need a yes or no from ya.  :p

All I ask if that if any of it is a line by line translation from 
dmdscript, or bases its structure or data structures on dmdscript, that 
you scrap & rewrite those parts, and that you not look at the dmdscript 
source as long as you're working on Walnut.
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
how can gif format patent prevent the others from writing a real gif file
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
Davidl wrote:
> how can gif format patent prevent the others from writing a real gif file
> 
> 
> 
The GIF format patent (actually a patent on the LZW compression algorithm used 
by the GIF format) can't prevent anyone from writing a GIF encoder, but it does 
(or at least it did, before it expired a few years ago) make it illegal to 
distribute it without paying royalties to Unisys.

P.S.: Davidl, could you please try to use better capitalization, punctuation, 
grammar, and spelling in your posts?  It might take a bit longer to type out, 
but it looks a lot more professional and is much more readable than your current 
posting style.
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
Tyler Knott wrote:
> [...]
> P.S.: Davidl, could you please try to use better capitalization, 
> punctuation, grammar, and spelling in your posts?  It might take a bit 
> longer to type out, but it looks a lot more professional and is much 
> more readable than your current posting style.

If I had to guess, I would say that English is not his first language. 
This is typically given away by the non-standard font.  If you look at 
the domain of his email address, you might get an idea where he's coming 
from: http://126.com/

Dave
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
David B. Held wrote:
> If I had to guess, I would say that English is not his first language. 
> This is typically given away by the non-standard font.  If you look at 
> the domain of his email address, you might get an idea where he's coming 
> from: http://126.com/

Actually, he doesn't use a non-standard font. His header doesn't specify 
the font in any way except in that he uses charset=gbk, which my 
Thunderbird tells me means the message encoding is "Chinese Simplified 
(GBK)".
The non-standard font you're seeing is probably the same thing I had the 
first couple of times I read his posts: Thunderbird has separate font 
settings for Western/Simplified Chinese/Japanese/Hebrew and lots of 
others. So the font may already be the same in other newsgroup clients.
Anyway, if it annoys you as much as it annoyed me, you can set your 
Simplified Chinese fonts to the same as Western in the preferences[1] 
(fixed it for me).


[1]: Edit -> Preferences -> Display -> tab Fonts -> button "Fonts..." 
(on my Linux box, IIRC there may be a different place for the 
preferences dialog on Windows)
April 05, 2007
Re: Legal/Permission Question
:o
Sorry for the wrong encoding which brings you guys so many troubles.
And I now set my encode-set to UTF-8.
Hope now every one is happy :p

> David B. Held wrote:
>> If I had to guess, I would say that English is not his first language.  
>> This is typically given away by the non-standard font.  If you look at  
>> the domain of his email address, you might get an idea where he's  
>> coming from: http://126.com/
>
> Actually, he doesn't use a non-standard font. His header doesn't specify  
> the font in any way except in that he uses charset=gbk, which my  
> Thunderbird tells me means the message encoding is "Chinese Simplified  
> (GBK)".
> The non-standard font you're seeing is probably the same thing I had the  
> first couple of times I read his posts: Thunderbird has separate font  
> settings for Western/Simplified Chinese/Japanese/Hebrew and lots of  
> others. So the font may already be the same in other newsgroup clients.
> Anyway, if it annoys you as much as it annoyed me, you can set your  
> Simplified Chinese fonts to the same as Western in the preferences[1]  
> (fixed it for me).
>
>
> [1]: Edit -> Preferences -> Display -> tab Fonts -> button "Fonts..."  
> (on my Linux box, IIRC there may be a different place for the  
> preferences dialog on Windows)
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