Sean Kelly wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>>
>> That said, what url is "Freenode", and/or how else can I contact this "hakware"?
> 
> If you're using Firefox, this link should work:
> 
> irc://chat.freenode.net
> 
> Then /join #D.
> 
> 
> Sean

Alert
------------------
Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.

Darn.  I was all set to be impressed by Firefox's versatility. Apparently it doesn't handle irc internally, but just opens up an external client for you.  And it seems that's not set up by default -- at least on Windows.

--bb

Bill Baxter wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>>
>>> That said, what url is "Freenode", and/or how else can I contact this "hakware"?
>>
>> If you're using Firefox, this link should work:
>>
>> irc://chat.freenode.net
>>
>> Then /join #D.
>>
>>
>> Sean
> 
> Alert
> ------------------
> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.
> 
> Darn.  I was all set to be impressed by Firefox's versatility. Apparently it doesn't handle irc internally, but just opens up an external client for you.  And it seems that's not set up by default -- at least on Windows.

It's an option for Firefox to handle it with an integrated IRC client.  It's not a great client though; I think it's still viewed as experimental, but I may be out of date.

-- James

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:59 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

> Alexander Panek wrote:
>> I'm sure going to spend some time getting a proper codebase for further development done, and write some documentation about how to actually get to the point of being able to write an operating system with D. I think that's a major weak point of D, as it claims to be a systems language, but there's no actual system written in it from scratch, neither documentation on how to achieve that.
> 
> Andrei suggested that the source code for Minix, which is fairly small, could be transliterated from C almost directly into D. This would neatly resolve the issue, and provide a starting point for anyone wanting to take it further.


Minix3?  That would be a great idea!  I was thinking how translating Minix3 would be a good start for a D kernel.

-JJR

Bill Baxter wrote:

> ------------------
> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.
> 
> Darn.  I was all set to be impressed by Firefox's versatility. Apparently it doesn't handle irc internally, but just opens up an external client for you.  And it seems that's not set up by default -- at least on Windows.

You can install ChatZilla via the Firefox/Mozilla extension system:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16

Mike Parker wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
> 
>> ------------------
>> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.
>>
>> Darn.  I was all set to be impressed by Firefox's versatility. Apparently it doesn't handle irc internally, but just opens up an external client for you.  And it seems that's not set up by default -- at least on Windows.
> 
> You can install ChatZilla via the Firefox/Mozilla extension system:
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16

Neat.  Thanks.

--bb

Bill Baxter wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>>
>>> That said, what url is "Freenode", and/or how else can I contact this "hakware"?
>>
>> If you're using Firefox, this link should work:
>>
>> irc://chat.freenode.net
>>
>> Then /join #D.
>>
>>
>> Sean
> 
> Alert
> ------------------
> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (irc) isn't associated with any program.
> 
> Darn.  I was all set to be impressed by Firefox's versatility. Apparently it doesn't handle irc internally, but just opens up an external client for you.  And it seems that's not set up by default -- at least on Windows.

Huh.  I'm pretty sure that used to work.  Or maybe that's from when I used Mozilla.  In any case, ChatZilla (the client I was thinking of) is (now?) a separate download for Firefox.


Sean

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:59:04 -0700
Brad Roberts <braddr@puremagic.com> wrote:

> > [...]
> Pardon the curmudgeon in me, but aside from being educational and being able to say 'see, someone's done it', what is to be achieved from inventing yet another kernel?  Anything beyond a toy kernel is an _enormous_ effort.

It's meant to be a research project, which I have started with C,
anyways, out of personal interest. System design & development is my
future occupation, hopefully, so this is educational at least for me. :)

> I don't mean to say "don't do it".  But I'm genuinely curious what the goals are.  There's so many more things that would have a higher long term benefit to the development community as a whole that it feels like a waste unless it really is just a 'I want to learn more about kernels' sort of project.

It might look like a "hackish" (yes, I call anything that's not properly designed and implemented - with pedantic attention for each detail - hackish..no offense intended, that just applies to my own code) kernel would has its benefits in the long-term, but I think a proper research to see what features of D can ease the pain of operating system development will gain more knowledge and will hopefully help me invent A Good Thing (tm).

I'm more the innovation-at-all-cost guy.. so.. that might be the reason.

Still, there's quite a broad code base already regarding the initialization of an x86 CPU, and according to hakware, interrupts are now working properly. This means, that things like memory management (paging, and such) is not far. I hope to bring in some benefits for D with the memory management, too, so it can colaborate with the GC. Don't know how far that's optimizable, but it's worth some research effort, imho.

Anyways, it seems like quite a few people in the D community seem to be interested in kernel development. So if one project evolved enough to have overcome the beginning obstacles (mostly CPU weirdness-issues..), I bet it's possible to form a team with a bit more momentum.

Best regards,
Alex

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:06:40 +0000 (UTC)
John Reimer <terminal.node@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:59 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
> 
> > Alexander Panek wrote:
> >> I'm sure going to spend some time getting a proper codebase for further development done, and write some documentation about how to actually get to the point of being able to write an operating system with D. I think that's a major weak point of D, as it claims to be a systems language, but there's no actual system written in it from scratch, neither documentation on how to achieve that.
> > 
> > Andrei suggested that the source code for Minix, which is fairly small, could be transliterated from C almost directly into D. This would neatly resolve the issue, and provide a starting point for anyone wanting to take it further.
> 
> 
> Minix3?  That would be a great idea!  I was thinking how translating Minix3 would be a good start for a D kernel.
> 
> -JJR

Well I think, when there's enough interest and a few people who'd like
to help, we (read as: the D community) could
start doing so, anyways. It'd at least help understanding the basic
principles of operating system development. :)

I went to freenode and nobody was in the #D channel.  : (

Any chance someone could point me to the source?  I really derive my feelings about a project by how sexy the source looks.

Dan wrote:

> 
> I went to freenode and nobody was in the #D channel.  : (
> 
> Any chance someone could point me to the source?  I really derive my feelings about a project by how sexy the source looks.

You sure you went to the right place? There haven't been less than 60 there for a long time, 74 just now.

I am logged on to irc.freenode.org:8001

-- 
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