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August 27, 2007
Descent
Hey, Descent looks really awesome now!  I can tell you guys have been 
working hard on it because it's got a full formatter page and 
everything.  I can even make it use spaces instead of tabs...good work! 
 I also note that it does something really interesting with templates 
in the outline view, but I haven't played around with that much.  What I 
am wondering about are two things:

1) Build integration.  I notice a descent.launching package in the 
source which I assume is for dmd integration, and I notice that on a 
Java project, I can do Run As...D Application, but I can't do that on my 
D code!  Very weird!

2) DSSS integration.  I'm not sure this totally makes sense or not, but 
I'd like to hear some thoughts on it.  It would be cool to have 
something like Create Project from DSource... that would be like Create 
from SVN...

Anyway, it's good to see all this project on the plugin, and anyone else 
who hasn't tried Descent yet, you need to give it a good look now!

Dave
August 27, 2007
Re: Descent
David B. Held Wrote:

> Hey, Descent looks really awesome now!  I can tell you guys have been 
> working hard on it because it's got a full formatter page and 
> everything.  I can even make it use spaces instead of tabs...good work! 
>   I also note that it does something really interesting with templates 
> in the outline view, but I haven't played around with that much.  What I 
> am wondering about are two things:
> 
> 1) Build integration.  I notice a descent.launching package in the 
> source which I assume is for dmd integration, and I notice that on a 
> Java project, I can do Run As...D Application, but I can't do that on my 
> D code!  Very weird!
> 
> 2) DSSS integration.  I'm not sure this totally makes sense or not, but 
> I'd like to hear some thoughts on it.  It would be cool to have 
> something like Create Project from DSource... that would be like Create 
> from SVN...
> 
> Anyway, it's good to see all this project on the plugin, and anyone else 
> who hasn't tried Descent yet, you need to give it a good look now!
> 
> Dave


Thanks!

1) are you in the D perspective? IMO, I think Eclipse should switch perspectives whenever you open a language-specific editor, but we lowly plugin devs can't do too much about it. Background compilation and compiler integration are being worked on now, so expect them in the semi-near future.

2) do a google search for "Subclipse", a SVN client that integrates with eclipse quite nicely. Full DSSS integration is a possibility, but we want to get other stuff like go-to-definition, autocomplete, and import management done first.

Glad you like the plugin!
August 27, 2007
Re: Descent
Robert Fraser wrote:
> David B. Held Wrote:
[snip]
> 2) do a google search for "Subclipse", a SVN client that integrates with eclipse quite nicely. Full DSSS integration is a possibility, but we want to get other stuff like go-to-definition, autocomplete, and import management done first.

Subclipse works like a charm with Descent. One of the many reasons to 
give Descent a whirl :)
August 27, 2007
Re: Descent
Thanks for the nice words. :)

As Robert said, we are now focusing on other stuff first. My idea is the 
following:

1. Finish porting the semantic code from DMD. In this point, you'll get 
error squiggles each time you stop typing for a while. I found having an 
immediate response of errors to be very useful, since you can instantly 
correct your code and have it always working.
2. Since some of the errors above may include things like "member not 
found" or "type not found", it's a step away from using that information 
for autocompletion, or for organizing imports.
3. Finally, we would be able to use the information above to smartly 
compile the files, i.e., compile only what is needed. The compilation 
and probably linkage will happen each time you save a file, as in JDT.

Note that you only need to compile and link your files when you want to 
test your project or deliver it. Usually you also compile to check if 
there are errors in what you wrote. Now imagine Descent never compiles 
the files for you, but always tells you the same errors as the compiler. 
Then you'll be a lot of time typing, correcting errors, making 
refactors... and at last, you'll open up a console, compile everything 
(which is just a dummy step to make your code actually executable... in 
an interpreted language this step doesn't exist) and run it. Of course, 
Descent will also compile the files for you, but it's the last step 
we'll make.

Does this makes sense?

Regards,
Ary

David B. Held wrote:
> Hey, Descent looks really awesome now!  I can tell you guys have been 
> working hard on it because it's got a full formatter page and 
> everything.  I can even make it use spaces instead of tabs...good work! 
>  I also note that it does something really interesting with templates in 
> the outline view, but I haven't played around with that much.  What I am 
> wondering about are two things:
> 
> 1) Build integration.  I notice a descent.launching package in the 
> source which I assume is for dmd integration, and I notice that on a 
> Java project, I can do Run As...D Application, but I can't do that on my 
> D code!  Very weird!
> 
> 2) DSSS integration.  I'm not sure this totally makes sense or not, but 
> I'd like to hear some thoughts on it.  It would be cool to have 
> something like Create Project from DSource... that would be like Create 
> from SVN...
> 
> Anyway, it's good to see all this project on the plugin, and anyone else 
> who hasn't tried Descent yet, you need to give it a good look now!
> 
> Dave
August 28, 2007
Re: Descent
Ary Manzana wrote:
> [...]

Well, I was gonna help on the build step, but it sounds like you guys 
basically have a good groove going, so I think I'll just let you run 
with it and wait for the goodies when they come out of the oven.  Keep 
up the good work!

Dave
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