September 29, 2007Re: GUI strategy?
Posted in reply to Jordan Miner
Op Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:21:20 -0400 schreef Jordan Miner <email@example.com>: > As far as GTKD and DUI, I would never in a million years consider > using GTK, as it looks horrible on Windows Did you see/use the GTK-Wimp skin? <http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/screenshots/> -- JanC
September 30, 2007Re: GUI strategy?
Posted in reply to Jordan Miner
That sounds interesting! Make it fully skinnable (so it can look like the native platform), and you'll have yourself a jolly audience :) Besides, Cairo is teh shizzle ;p Any screenshots so far? "Jordan Miner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:email@example.com... >I have been writing a GUI library from scratch in D for over a year now. Of >course, I would like it to become the most popular GUI for D (who >wouldn't?), but regardless I have had fun working on it and using it for my >own programs. > > Here is what I think about the current GUI libraries: > My problem with DFL is that since it uses native Windows controls and > copies Windows Forms so much IMO it would be difficult to get working > right on Linux and Macintosh. Other than that, I think it works great on > Windows. > As far as GTKD and DUI, I would never in a million years consider using > GTK, as it looks horrible on Windows (and probably Macintosh). > Does DWT have a different API on each platform? If so, that rules it out > for me. > With wxD, since wxWidgets uses native controls, it looks good on every > platform most of the time and already works on Windows, Linux, and > Macintosh. I don't really like its API, but if I were not writing my own > library, I would probably use wxD. > Note that I have never used any of these libraries, but I have looked at > documentation and examples. And I have used programs that use their > underlying libraries (GTK, SWT, wxWidgets). > > For my library, I decided to not use native controls, partly to make it > easier to port and use on different platforms and partly for flexiblity. I > already have working Windows and X backends, and partially implemented > buttons, check boxes, radio buttons, list boxes, tabs, text boxes, themes, > file and directory dialogs, and clipboard support. For graphics, I am > using the cairo graphics library http://cairographics.org > > My biggest goal is ease of use and the ability to do tasks with the > shortest, simplest code. I do not want a large, bloated library, and, so > far, the GUI part is only about 5,000 LOC. I believe 20,000 LOC for a GUI > library is more than enough. (for most features, anyway. There are lots of > features a GUI library could have that would be nice, but not necessary, > such as an SVG renderer.) > > Bill Baxter Wrote: >> If you're going to make THE gui for D (or any language), then you'd >> better be prepared to embark on a 5-10 year, or perhaps even life-long >> project. You'll need to make frequent releases. And you better respond >> to people's questions. Not just this week but for the next 5-10 years. >> And have a bug tracker and use it. And treat people's patches as >> precious, either telling them why you're rejecting them or incorporating >> them ASAP. And write lots of documentation and tutorials and example >> programs demonstrating your library. > > I agree. All of this is important for a widely used library. > > I cannot see myself stopping work on this project, as I am fairly addicted > to using computers, and this is something that I really like doing. I do > work on it in my spare time and am in college, but I have still done a lot > in the last year. I have not released it yet, but when I do, I would like > to get other people involved. I still have a few things to do before I put > it on the internet, such as get the Windows and X backend to have the same > functionality, fix the naming convention, move to tango, and get a final > name. > (How's Daimyo? It is short and starts with a D. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimyo ) >
September 30, 2007Re: GUI strategy?
Posted in reply to Yigal Chripun
Yigal Chripun wrote: > Tomas Lindquist Olsen wrote: >> Yigal Chripun wrote: >> >>> IMHO, you are right about NOT having a standard GUI library as part of >>> D. however, regarding the current options we have - it not a trivial >>> task to install any of them, in the sense that dsss net install should >>> be all i need to start using any of them. >>> >> >> dsss net install minwin >> >> > actually i've done just that a few days ago and while it did install it > didn't work for me. had problems with the the imports or something like > that. does minwin work with tango? (i prefer to use tango myself) MinWin is currently Phobos only. I do plan to update it to work with both libraries soon though.
October 01, 2007Re: GUI strategy?
Posted in reply to Bruno Medeiros
Bruno Medeiros wrote: > Daniel Keep wrote: >> Walter "blessed" DWT (I believe it was) and... it promptly died. >> >> Granted, we've got Tioport making excellent progress now, but I don't >> think Walter wants to bless any particular library that he himself isn't >> responsible for. >> >> As for getting the community to agree on one, good luck on that. I >> remember lots of threads about designing a community-standard, and no >> one could agree on something as basic as: should it owner-draw or use >> native widgets. Both sides have very good, solid arguments for them. >> And people in general have a habit of (sometimes violently) backing >> their very good, solidly justified team. :) >> > > Nor will there ever be an agreement on those issues, just as there isn't > outside of the D community. It seems to be kinda like static vs. dynamic > languages where everyone has a favorite that more adequately suits them, > but no objective best one. > Still, I think it would be reasonable to hope that at least in each > category, there could be a standard (as in, de facto) GUI library. I think so too. A case I'm particularly interested in is an owner-draw control. (an example I have in mind is a x-y chart). I'd hope for significant code reuse, regardless of whether such a control is used inside a framework which use native-widget or owner-draw for the basic widgets. Surely we can do that.
October 02, 2007Re: GUI strategy?
Posted in reply to Max Samukha
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:39:54 +0300, Max Samukha <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > I'm trying to use DFL but >it seems to be developed and maintained by one person, is Windows-only >and very alpha. I was accused of badmouthing DFL and want to apologize for the emotional 'very alpha'. It's not like that. It just lacks a couple of useful widgets that are being developed or going to be developed and has some issues that get fixed as soon as they are reported.