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November 05, 2007
Toiby; #14 an rising
http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html
November 05, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

I think that there is something else note worthy on the Tiobe news this month,
scroll down the index index page to the November News flash and you'ss see this tidbit...

> In 2 months time we will announce the "programming language of 2007". Last years winner Ruby is favourite to win the title again closely followed by D and C#.

A...
November 05, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising (make that #12)
BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

# 12 actually.

--bb
November 05, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:55:13 +0200, BCS <BCS@pathlink.com> wrote:

> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

Delphi also got ahead of D again.

-- 
Best regards,
Vladimir                          mailto:thecybershadow@gmail.com
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:55:13 -0800, BCS wrote:

> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

Should jump much higher when D 2.0 is final and stable with the spec is
published.

A proper book would also help.  I know Walter's too busy to do that though.
Might even start stealing a few Lispers. :)
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising (make that #12)
Bill Baxter wrote:
> BCS wrote:
> 
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html
> 
> 
> # 12 actually.
> 
> --bb

sorry x-)
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
BCS wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html

It's interesting; if you look at the deltas between now and exactly one
year ago, the only language with a faster growth than D (+1.02%) is Ruby
(+1.37%).

And check out these deltas:

C		-3.23%
C++		-2.03%
Perl		-1.49%
C#		+0.89%
Visual Basic	+0.76%
JavaScript	+0.62%
Python		+0.59%

Clearly, people are no longer listening to Dijkstra :P  Visual Basic has
actually gone up over C++, which is frankly kinda scary.

As usual, Tiobe, grain of salt; but it's interesting none the less.

	-- Daniel
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:25:56 +0200, Daniel Keep <daniel.keep.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Visual Basic has
> actually gone up over C++, which is frankly kinda scary.

VB will be wherever newbies roam. I guess more people are getting into programming lately, which is good (assuming they don't stick with VB for too long).

-- 
Best regards,
Vladimir                          mailto:thecybershadow@gmail.com
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
Does somebody know of reasons to trust TIOBE? I see this posted
regularly as some sort of "proof" that D is becoming more popular, but
at best it looks like some definition of "buzz" surrounding a
language.

Counting search engine hits is practically useless as the search
engines themselves typically (always?) estimate the total number of
hits for a given query as computing the actual number is potentially
very expensive.

Compare the number of hits listed:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22D+Programming+Language%22
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22D+Programming+Language%22&b=501

(it appears that Google now returns a stable number, which seems to be
a recent change)

There is also the question of what gets included in any given search
engine's index, which may favour excluding web pages for all kinds of
arbitrary reasons (spam, "relevance", age, ..).


Counting job market mentions sounds almost completely useless, given
the levels of accuracy on display by your average recruiter who is
publishing the adverts TIOBE are likely crawling ("Oh you know C++?
Excellent! I have this awesome web development opening...").


Additionally the web site claims "[...] the index can be used to check
whether your programming skills are still up to date or to make a
strategic decision about what programming language should be adopted
when starting to build a new software system."

This is absolutely *not* the way to go about making a "strategic"
decision about the use of a programming language. :)


David.

On 11/5/07, BCS <BCS@pathlink.com> wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/D.html
>
November 06, 2007
Re: Toiby; #14 an rising
Reply to David,

> Does somebody know of reasons to trust TIOBE? I see this posted
> regularly as some sort of "proof" that D is becoming more popular, but
> at best it looks like some definition of "buzz" surrounding a
> language.
> 

What's wrong with D getting a lot of Buzz?

It's a informal scoring system, Also while it may not indicate anything it 
may well generate interest in D.
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