Sean Kelly wrote:
> I do agree with this.  I am not sure that the D community is large enough yet to warrant a moderated group.  But I would still find a more focused forum for discussion to be useful for my own time management.

I've thought many times it would be nice to have a 'digest' or 'best of' where an editor would pull out the best postings and list them on a separate web page. That would be great for the people who need to keep up but aren't willing to read all the postings. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to do this automatically, it needs a human editor who'll be willing to spend hours a week on it.

Walter Bright wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> I do agree with this.  I am not sure that the D community is large enough yet to warrant a moderated group.  But I would still find a more focused forum for discussion to be useful for my own time management.
> 
> I've thought many times it would be nice to have a 'digest' or 'best of' where an editor would pull out the best postings and list them on a separate web page. That would be great for the people who need to keep up but aren't willing to read all the postings. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to do this automatically, it needs a human editor who'll be willing to spend hours a week on it.

I've wished for that too after reading through the Python-dev summaries.  (http://www.python.org/dev/summary/)
But it does take a dedicated volunteer.

--bb

Reply to Bill,

> But it does take a dedicated volunteer.

volunteer? your kidding right? some weeks you'd have to pay overtime.

Bill Baxter wrote:
> [...]
> The other downside to a moderated system is that since someone has to
> look at every message, there is inevitably some delay in message
> delivery, maybe up to 24hrs.  I'm just guessing though.

The way c.l.c++.m works is that long-time posters generally get more leeway (read: less scrutiny), while newer posters are watched more carefully.  I've seen posts go through pretty quickly sometimes, because it's obvious that the moderators don't necessarily read every word of every post.  However, I will say that even as respected a group as c.l.c++.m has its own biases in moderation.  They are not consistent, or moderation would fail.  But it's quite easy for one or two people here or there to get a bad shake now and then and leave a bad impression of the NG.  Overall, I think it's a net win, despite the flaws.

Dave

Bill Baxter wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> I've thought many times it would be nice to have a 'digest' or 'best of' where an editor would pull out the best postings and list them on a separate web page. That would be great for the people who need to keep up but aren't willing to read all the postings. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to do this automatically, it needs a human editor who'll be willing to spend hours a week on it.
> 
> I've wished for that too after reading through the Python-dev summaries.  (http://www.python.org/dev/summary/)
> But it does take a dedicated volunteer.

I'be thought about a newgroup FAQ, we could squabble over the details
(the Qs, and of course especially the As (not, not Asks!=)) in a wiki.
When the next person says "Why is not everything an Object in D like
in Ruby? The language could be so much better! Please change it!",
one could point to the matching generic Q in the FAQ.
How does RTFFAQ sound, btw? ;-)

regards, frank

Walter Bright wrote:
> I've thought many times it would be nice to have a 'digest' or 'best of' where an editor would pull out the best postings and list them on a separate web page. That would be great for the people who need to keep up but aren't willing to read all the postings. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to do this automatically, it needs a human editor who'll be willing to spend hours a week on it.

It could be quite easy to do it automatically. Just setting up a way to allow readers to vote on the web interface and for those of use that use a news reader we could forward the post that we like.

Mmmmm. Actually It would need a Digg style voting system so it isn't quite that easy, but is doable.

-- 
Julio César Carrascal Urquijo
http://jcesar.artelogico.com/

Julio César Carrascal Urquijo wrote:
> It could be quite easy to do it automatically. Just setting up a way to allow readers to vote on the web interface and for those of use that use a news reader we could forward the post that we like.
> 
> Mmmmm. Actually It would need a Digg style voting system so it isn't quite that easy, but is doable.

I think there may be something to this. A digest of the NG could be created
based on the merit of postings as voted by those who decide to wade through
the wild west forum (and vote, of course). I'd rather wade, but I gather it
would make things nicer for those who would prefer not to...

regards, frank

Hi, all!

As yesterday I registered 16-18 emails between 22:37 and about 01:45
and today it is so very calmn, I have decided to fill this void with
senseless gibberish, as is to be expected of me... =)
I hope nobody is afraid to write anything anymoar. So I have decided
to blatantly violate the peace and quietness during these few hours,
to test if it brings me any flames! Don't feed the Troll, unless the
silence lasts! Heeeh!

Hi to all D NGers, D IRCers, everyone who releases code, and Walter!

regards, frank

Walter Bright wrote:
> It's been proposed that a new newsgroup be created, digitalmars.D.moderated. It would work like moderated newsgroups on usenet do, such as comp.lang.c++.moderated. There would be 3 or 4 volunteer moderators (not me), who would disallow posts that were off-topic, me too, spam, lacked content, or contained personal attacks. Ideally, the moderated group would set the bar for the quality of the messages.
> 
> The original newsgroups will remain as the free-for-all wild west that makes them both fun and perhaps a little intimidating for some. While I like the wild west approach, many others clearly find it uncomfortable.

Part of what worries me about digitalmars.D.moderated, what will be the focus of the newsgroup? When will one post on moderated vs. d.announce or d.D or d.learn? Also, I'm not so sure the D community has enough manpower to pull it off, either.

I'm not familiar with c++.moderated though, so maybe I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.

> Walter Bright wrote:
> > It's been proposed that a new newsgroup be created, digitalmars.D.moderated. It would work like moderated newsgroups on usenet do, such as comp.lang.c++.moderated. There would be 3 or 4 volunteer moderators (not me), who would disallow posts that were off-topic, me too, spam, lacked content, or contained personal attacks. Ideally, the moderated group would set the bar for the quality of the messages.

I think he means to eventually move the whole conversation to moderated.  Personally, I don't think it's all that necessary.  Then, I don't ever see the wrong kind of spam around here.  Good job about that btw.

Having mods tends to be irrelevant unless you have children flaming eachother in a video game or linux mailing list environment.  D's seemed pretty safe.