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November 26, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Alexander Panek wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:07:40 -0800 (PST)
> Brad Roberts <braddr@puremagic.com> wrote:
> 
>> For the short term (and quite possibly long term), I don't expect to
>> use dsource for much more than it's svn repository.  There's already
>> the d bugzilla instance which is doing a perfectly good job. 
> 
> Fair enough, but Trac is way easier to use than bugzilla. And, the
> probably more weighing point: it interfaces with the underlying source
> control in such a way that tickets can be associated to changesets and
> revisions. I think this is one very big advantage over bugzilla. That
> way it would even be possible to submit patches in tickets and see
> how they've been applied, etc.

That may be, but you have to weigh that benefit against the cost of 
having the bug database split across two trackers and/or migrating all 
the existing bugzilla entries over to trac.

--bb
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Alexander Panek wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:07:40 -0800 (PST)
> Brad Roberts <braddr@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>For the short term (and quite possibly long term), I don't expect to
>>use dsource for much more than it's svn repository.  There's already
>>the d bugzilla instance which is doing a perfectly good job.
>
>
> Fair enough, but Trac is way easier to use than bugzilla. And, the
> probably more weighing point: it interfaces with the underlying source
> control in such a way that tickets can be associated to changesets and
> revisions. I think this is one very big advantage over bugzilla. That
> way it would even be possible to submit patches in tickets and see
> how they've been applied, etc.
>
> That said: Tango uses Trac's ticketing system extensively and I suppose
> without it, it would be a Big Ball of Mud to organize.
>

Does Trac's ticket system have a way to interface with the NG? I ask 
because if it doesn't then they will be effectively opaque to me. In 
other words, if they can't post updates the the NG I, and probably many 
others, will be out of the loop.

(Do not point out how easy it is to keep tabs of them on the forum or 
web page or what not. I don't use them, I'm not going to use them unless 
they can address a hole boatload of concerns. I haven't heard any 
suggestion they will.)
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Brad Roberts, el 26 de noviembre a las 11:07 me escribiste:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Alexander Panek wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:43 -0800
> > Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos
> > > 
> > > Thanks to Brad Roberts for doing the organizational work, and Brad 
> > > Anderson for hosting.
> > 
> > Now that it's on dsource, maybe you should try and make use of Trac's
> > features? Like milestones'n tickets and such. I suppose this would help
> > monitoring the progress of Phobos and also make future plans more
> > transparent to non-developers.
> 
> For the short term (and quite possibly long term), I don't expect to use 

Any reason to not use git[1]? At least I saw Walter posting[2] to its mailing
list, which made me thought that he were using (or planning to use) it for
internal development...

[1] http://git.or.cz/
[2] http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2007/9/7/257355

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November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Brad Roberts, el 26 de noviembre a las 10:37 me escribiste:
> As always, the more complete the patch the better.  The only difference is 
> now you can get the source via svn rather than from the .zip.  The source 
> and build system are exactly the same.

But know you can keep track of teh changes and follow the development.
IMHO that's a *huge* step and I'm glad you took it =)

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You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying.
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Leandro Lucarella wrote:

> Brad Roberts, el 26 de noviembre a las 11:07 me escribiste:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Alexander Panek wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:43 -0800
> > > Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks to Brad Roberts for doing the organizational work, and Brad 
> > > > Anderson for hosting.
> > > 
> > > Now that it's on dsource, maybe you should try and make use of Trac's
> > > features? Like milestones'n tickets and such. I suppose this would help
> > > monitoring the progress of Phobos and also make future plans more
> > > transparent to non-developers.
> > 
> > For the short term (and quite possibly long term), I don't expect to use 
> 
> Any reason to not use git[1]? At least I saw Walter posting[2] to its mailing
> list, which made me thought that he were using (or planning to use) it for
> internal development...

Two reasons:

1) dsource doesn't (yet) support git and using the community standard site 
is and was important to me.

2) git comes with an even higher learning curve than svn does.  While I 
like what I see with git (been playing with and using it for various 
personal project since it's inception), it's not ready for the teeming 
masses, and by that I mean Walter.

3) Walter's post was D advertising, not him using it.

Later,
Brad
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Walter Bright wrote:
> 
> http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos
> 
> Thanks to Brad Roberts for doing the organizational work, and Brad 
> Anderson for hosting.

I think this is a very positive step forward for Phobos.

Now, if the D community could play a more active role in Phobos 
development, then we're really on to something. :)
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
Brad Roberts wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> 
>> Brad Roberts, el 26 de noviembre a las 11:07 me escribiste:
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Alexander Panek wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:16:43 -0800
>>>> Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Brad Roberts for doing the organizational work, and Brad 
>>>>> Anderson for hosting.
>>>> Now that it's on dsource, maybe you should try and make use of Trac's
>>>> features? Like milestones'n tickets and such. I suppose this would help
>>>> monitoring the progress of Phobos and also make future plans more
>>>> transparent to non-developers.
>>> For the short term (and quite possibly long term), I don't expect to use 
>> Any reason to not use git[1]? At least I saw Walter posting[2] to its mailing
>> list, which made me thought that he were using (or planning to use) it for
>> internal development...
> 
> Two reasons:
> 
> 1) dsource doesn't (yet) support git and using the community standard site 
> is and was important to me.
> 
> 2) git comes with an even higher learning curve than svn does.  While I 
> like what I see with git (been playing with and using it for various 
> personal project since it's inception), it's not ready for the teeming 
> masses, and by that I mean Walter.
> 
> 3) Walter's post was D advertising, not him using it.

4) git is not ready for Windows yet.  Apparently there are people 
working on making it usable, but it's definitely no where near the 
standards set by the SVN GUIs on Windows.  Monotone or Mercurial seem to 
be much better off in cross-platform support, but none of the new gen of 
scms are really up to the level of SVN or CVS yet for usability and 
ubiquity.

--bb
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
I honestly hope Phobos will remain what it is - a simple, core library, 
and I hope it will not "evolve" into a huge framework of JAVA API, or 
.NET 2 size.

I would gladly see Phobos remain as the core, and emerging of some 
higher-level, huge library (framework) on top of it, with all modern 
features of frameworks mentioned above.

Kind regards

Dejan Lekic
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:20:05 -0800
BCS <BCS@pathlink.com> wrote:

> Does Trac's ticket system have a way to interface with the NG? I ask 
> because if it doesn't then they will be effectively opaque to me. In 
> other words, if they can't post updates the the NG I, and probably
> many others, will be out of the loop.

I'm not sure this would work out of the box, but I suppose there's
either a plugin, or it should be rather easy to implement this in Python
and let it run as a plugin. I suppose Brad Anderson (I hope I got the
names right this time) knows this better than me.

> (Do not point out how easy it is to keep tabs of them on the forum or 
> web page or what not. I don't use them, I'm not going to use them
> unless they can address a hole boatload of concerns. I haven't heard
> any suggestion they will.)

In any case: is this what the d.D.bugs newsgroup is about? Can you also
reply on the NG and bugzilla tracks it automatically as response in the
tracker?

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Alexander Panek <alexander.panek@brainsware.org>
November 27, 2007
Re: Phobos is now on dsource
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:05:56 +0000
Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic@gmail.com> wrote:

> I honestly hope Phobos will remain what it is - a simple, core
> library, and I hope it will not "evolve" into a huge framework of
> JAVA API, or .NET 2 size.

I'm not sure what the cause of this "fear" is?

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Alexander Panek <alexander.panek@brainsware.org>
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