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June 16, 2009
Re: [OT] Andrei writes "The Case for D"
BCS wrote:
> Hello Walter,
>> There is one for Ubuntu, but I'm having a bit of trouble making it
>> work right.
> 
> <joke>IMHO: "That's Not Your Job!!"</joke>
> Check it into dsource and ask for people to adopt it. 


I didn't think of that. Great idea!
June 16, 2009
Re: [OT] Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Walter Bright wrote:
> BCS wrote:
>> Hello Walter,
>>> There is one for Ubuntu, but I'm having a bit of trouble making it
>>> work right.
>>
>> <joke>IMHO: "That's Not Your Job!!"</joke>
>> Check it into dsource and ask for people to adopt it. 
> 
> 
> I didn't think of that. Great idea!

Again: http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos/browser/trunk/rpmsrc

I think BCS' idea is brilliant, particularly in wake of the 
recently-manifested desire of the community to help push D ahead. An 
installer would be a highly visible and highly useful contribution.


Andrei
June 16, 2009
Re: [OT] Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Hello Andrei,

> I think BCS' idea is brilliant
> 

yet again, I get accused of being smarter than I think I am. <g>
June 17, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
bearophile wrote:
> grauzone:
>> Just that LDC (why not mention it directly?) is starting to become more 
>> stable than DMD, while the .NET port is in an early alpha stage at best.
> 
> I agree with you, mentioning LDC name there is better. This part of the article is bad.
> And LDC is getting quite stable, I'm using it on Linux with good results.
> I think the main missing parts of LDC (but please correct me if I am wrong) is that is lacks still: exception on Windows, built-in profiler, built-in code coverage. Once those three things are in place then LDC can replace DMD in most situations (I don't know much about the code coverage in LDC, I'll ask on IRC).

In the context of the article it's missing another pretty major feature: actual 
support for pretty much anything new in D2.0...
June 17, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:

> Robert Fraser wrote:
> > Tim Matthews wrote:
> >> Anders F Björklund wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "Last but definitely not least, two windowing libraries complete the 
> >>> language's offering quite spectacularly. The mature library DWT is a 
> >>> direct port of Java's SWT. A newer development is that the immensely 
> >>> popular Qt Software windowing library has recently released a D 
> >>> binding (in alpha as of this writing)."
> >>>
> >>> In other words, so long and thanks for all the fish: GDC and wxD ?
> >>>
> >>> --anders
> >>
> >> About the gui toolkits: Never mind the fact that GTKD has been working 
> >> stable for a long time unlike the QT port. Best to include both to 
> >> keep wars at bay in my opinion like kde vs gnome.
> > 
> > You might want to toss in DFL, too. It doesn't compile on the latest 
> > anything without (a little) work, but it's a stable GUI library with a 
> > graphical designer that was designed from the ground up with D in mind.
> 
> This is excellent information, you may want to post it to reddit too. 
> Speaking of reddit, I noticed there are forty-something negative votes 
> but only one negative comment. From direct experience (sigh) I know that 
> people who think an article sucks usually are also very inclined to 
> voice their opinion (even more so than people who think an article was 
> good!) There must be a study in behavioral psych somewhere. So these 
> votes seem to reflect a prior dislike to anything D and the immediate 
> negative voting of anything related to it. I wonder how such this could 
> be addressed.
> 
> 
> Andrei
To Andrei,

Last time I translated your post *RFC on range design for D2*

http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D.announce&article_id=12922

into Chinese but not getting your permission.Below is the link:

http://dlang.group.javaeye.com/group/topic/10615

I am so sorry for making such a big mistake.Just let me know if there is anything I can do for this mistake.Thanks.

Btw.I( and other D fans in China) am planning to translate Bartosz's * Rice free* series into Chinese also if the original links are reachable in my region someday( they are not reachable right at this moment  not knowing why).Can I get your permission also?

Regards,
Sam
June 17, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Sam Hu wrote:
> Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> 
>> Robert Fraser wrote:
>>> Tim Matthews wrote:
>>>> Anders F Björklund wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "Last but definitely not least, two windowing libraries
>>>>> complete the language's offering quite spectacularly. The
>>>>> mature library DWT is a direct port of Java's SWT. A newer
>>>>> development is that the immensely popular Qt Software
>>>>> windowing library has recently released a D binding (in alpha
>>>>> as of this writing)."
>>>>> 
>>>>> In other words, so long and thanks for all the fish: GDC and
>>>>> wxD ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --anders
>>>> About the gui toolkits: Never mind the fact that GTKD has been
>>>> working stable for a long time unlike the QT port. Best to
>>>> include both to keep wars at bay in my opinion like kde vs
>>>> gnome.
>>> You might want to toss in DFL, too. It doesn't compile on the
>>> latest anything without (a little) work, but it's a stable GUI
>>> library with a graphical designer that was designed from the
>>> ground up with D in mind.
>> This is excellent information, you may want to post it to reddit
>> too. Speaking of reddit, I noticed there are forty-something
>> negative votes but only one negative comment. From direct
>> experience (sigh) I know that people who think an article sucks
>> usually are also very inclined to voice their opinion (even more so
>> than people who think an article was good!) There must be a study
>> in behavioral psych somewhere. So these votes seem to reflect a
>> prior dislike to anything D and the immediate negative voting of
>> anything related to it. I wonder how such this could be addressed.
>> 
>> 
>> Andrei
> To Andrei,
> 
> Last time I translated your post *RFC on range design for D2*
> 
> http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D.announce&article_id=12922
> 
> 
> into Chinese but not getting your permission.Below is the link:
> 
> http://dlang.group.javaeye.com/group/topic/10615
> 
> I am so sorry for making such a big mistake.Just let me know if there
> is anything I can do for this mistake.Thanks.

I hereby punish you to translate The Case For D as well :o).

No matter, really. That was just a temporary document that I deleted in 
the meantime.

> Btw.I( and other D fans in China) am planning to translate Bartosz's
> * Rice free* series into Chinese also if the original links are
> reachable in my region someday( they are not reachable right at this
> moment  not knowing why).Can I get your permission also?

Rice free? I don't think that title would be very successful in China. 
You'd need to ask Bartosz for permission.


Shie shie,

Andrei
June 17, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:

> Sam Hu wrote:
> > Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> > 
> >> Robert Fraser wrote:
> >>> Tim Matthews wrote:
> >>>> Anders F Björklund wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> "Last but definitely not least, two windowing libraries
> >>>>> complete the language's offering quite spectacularly. The
> >>>>> mature library DWT is a direct port of Java's SWT. A newer
> >>>>> development is that the immensely popular Qt Software
> >>>>> windowing library has recently released a D binding (in alpha
> >>>>> as of this writing)."
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In other words, so long and thanks for all the fish: GDC and
> >>>>> wxD ?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --anders
> >>>> About the gui toolkits: Never mind the fact that GTKD has been
> >>>> working stable for a long time unlike the QT port. Best to
> >>>> include both to keep wars at bay in my opinion like kde vs
> >>>> gnome.
> >>> You might want to toss in DFL, too. It doesn't compile on the
> >>> latest anything without (a little) work, but it's a stable GUI
> >>> library with a graphical designer that was designed from the
> >>> ground up with D in mind.
> >> This is excellent information, you may want to post it to reddit
> >> too. Speaking of reddit, I noticed there are forty-something
> >> negative votes but only one negative comment. From direct
> >> experience (sigh) I know that people who think an article sucks
> >> usually are also very inclined to voice their opinion (even more so
> >> than people who think an article was good!) There must be a study
> >> in behavioral psych somewhere. So these votes seem to reflect a
> >> prior dislike to anything D and the immediate negative voting of
> >> anything related to it. I wonder how such this could be addressed.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Andrei
> > To Andrei,
> > 
> > Last time I translated your post *RFC on range design for D2*
> > 
> > http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D.announce&article_id=12922
> > 
> > 
> > into Chinese but not getting your permission.Below is the link:
> > 
> > http://dlang.group.javaeye.com/group/topic/10615
> > 
> > I am so sorry for making such a big mistake.Just let me know if there
> > is anything I can do for this mistake.Thanks.
> 
> I hereby punish you to translate The Case For D as well :o).
> 
> No matter, really. That was just a temporary document that I deleted in 
> the meantime.
> 
> > Btw.I( and other D fans in China) am planning to translate Bartosz's
> > * Rice free* series into Chinese also if the original links are
> > reachable in my region someday( they are not reachable right at this
> > moment  not knowing why).Can I get your permission also?
> 
> Rice free? I don't think that title would be very successful in China. 
> You'd need to ask Bartosz for permission.
> 
> 
> Shie shie,
> 
> Andrei

Thank you so much Andrei! We'll try to translate the Case for D into Chinese with pleasure!

Thanks again.

Regards,
Sam
June 17, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:16 +0200, grauzone wrote:

> Why is Andrei building his book upon an unfinished
> language, anyway...

Because the book and language are planned to be released... around the 
same time.
June 18, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote in news:h18i1p
$16l9$1@digitalmars.com:

> So these 
> votes seem to reflect a prior dislike to anything D and the immediate 
> negative voting of anything related to it. I wonder how such this could 
> be addressed.

Two killer apps written in D plus one article in a medical journal.  One of 
the killer apps should commercial so that people can see money being made 
using D.  The other should be open source so that the contributers are 
forced to learn D.  And the medical journal article?  It needs to show that 
contributing to this open source app in D cures erectile disfunction.

-- JMNorris
June 18, 2009
Re: Andrei writes "The Case for D"
Hello JMNorris,

> And the medical journal article?
> It needs to show that contributing to this open source app in D cures
> erectile disfunction.
> 

<snort/> <g/>
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