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August 01, 2009
YAPP - D properties - voting
Ok. Let's do some voting.

I extended pool with latest syntax suggestion. I also added additional 
pool about omissible parenthesis feature.

Here is the link:

http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php

Let's vote and please do not kill my server ;-)

BR
Marcin Kuszczak
(aarti_pl)
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
aarti_pl, el  1 de agosto a las 16:44 me escribiste:
> Ok. Let's do some voting.
> 
> I extended pool with latest syntax suggestion. I also added additional pool about omissible parenthesis feature.
> 
> Here is the link:
> 
> http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php
> 
> Let's vote and please do not kill my server ;-)

This is getting ridiculous, we have as many property proposals as voting
systems now...

OMFG!

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Sé que tu me miras, pero yo me juraría que, en esos ojos negros que
tenés, hay un indio sensible que piensa: "Qué bárbaro que este tipo
blanco esté tratando de comunicarse conmigo que soy un ser inferior en
la escala del homo sapiens". Por eso, querido indio, no puedo dejar de
mirarte como si fueras un cobayo de mierda al que puedo pisar cuando
quiera.
	-- Ricardo Vaporeso. Carta a los aborígenes, ed. Gredos,
		Barcelona, 1912, página 102.
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> aarti_pl, el  1 de agosto a las 16:44 me escribiste:
>> Ok. Let's do some voting.
>>
>> I extended pool with latest syntax suggestion. I also added additional pool about omissible parenthesis feature.
>>
>> Here is the link:
>>
>> http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php
>>
>> Let's vote and please do not kill my server ;-)
> 
> This is getting ridiculous, we have as many property proposals as voting
> systems now...
> 
> OMFG!

It is ridiculous, particularly in light of the fact that no poll shows 
the landslide prevalence of "everybody".

Andrei
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> It is ridiculous, particularly in light of the fact that no poll shows
> the landslide prevalence of "everybody".

Not everyone may agree, or understand. But if you look at it objectively,
D's 'properties' cause inconsistencies, ambiguities and limitations. I'm
not listing them again, since it doesn't seem to have any effect.

I fully understand that the simple rewriting rules currently used were by
far the easiest way to get properties into D. No extra syntax or anything.
Walter probably only needed a day or two to put them into the compiler. Not
much thought had to go into it. This is evident by the fact that +=, ++,
etc. don't work. And then you could advertise that D had properties.

Then some people started to abuse property syntax to save three keystrokes
(one for the shift-key). So now all of a sudden, real properties can't ever
work for D, since you'd lose your no-parentheses function-calls, and some
backwards compatibility.

But it is a flawed design. Many people have tried to explain this to you.
But when faced with the facts, both you and Walter avoid the issue. You
focus on minor mistakes in peoples posts and then ignore their real
message. And often you simply never reply. Take, for example:

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/Reddit_why_aren_t_people_using_D_93528.html#N93753

I don't think D will soon adopt the kind of properties some of us have been
advocating. You'll just treat the symptoms, I expect. This post is not
meant to convince you. It simply needed to be said. I apologize for my
confrontational tone.

-- 
Michiel Helvensteijn
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
Andrei Alexandrescu escribió:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
>> aarti_pl, el  1 de agosto a las 16:44 me escribiste:
>>> Ok. Let's do some voting.
>>>
>>> I extended pool with latest syntax suggestion. I also added 
>>> additional pool about omissible parenthesis feature.
>>>
>>> Here is the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php
>>>
>>> Let's vote and please do not kill my server ;-)
>>
>> This is getting ridiculous, we have as many property proposals as voting
>> systems now...
>>
>> OMFG!
> 
> It is ridiculous, particularly in light of the fact that no poll shows 
> the landslide prevalence of "everybody".

That's because we can't see who is voting and if anyone is cheating.
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
Ary Borenszweig pisze:
> Andrei Alexandrescu escribió:
>> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
>>> aarti_pl, el  1 de agosto a las 16:44 me escribiste:
>>>> Ok. Let's do some voting.
>>>>
>>>> I extended pool with latest syntax suggestion. I also added 
>>>> additional pool about omissible parenthesis feature.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php
>>>>
>>>> Let's vote and please do not kill my server ;-)
>>>
>>> This is getting ridiculous, we have as many property proposals as voting
>>> systems now...
>>>
>>> OMFG!
>>
>> It is ridiculous, particularly in light of the fact that no poll shows 
>> the landslide prevalence of "everybody".
> 
> That's because we can't see who is voting and if anyone is cheating.

Trivial cheating is rather not possible - there is only one voice per IP.

BR
Marcin Kuszczak
(aarti_pl)
August 01, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
aarti_pl wrote:
> Ary Borenszweig pisze:
>>
>> That's because we can't see who is voting and if anyone is cheating.
> 
> Trivial cheating is rather not possible - there is only one voice per IP.
> 
> BR
> Marcin Kuszczak
> (aarti_pl)

Interesting.  I can't tell because it seems like I can still submit
after voting, but I don't want to test it for fear of double-voting.
August 02, 2009
Re: YAPP - D properties - voting
Chad J schrieb:
> aarti_pl wrote:
>> Ary Borenszweig pisze:
>>> That's because we can't see who is voting and if anyone is cheating.
>> Trivial cheating is rather not possible - there is only one voice per IP.
>>
>> BR
>> Marcin Kuszczak
>> (aarti_pl)
> 
> Interesting.  I can't tell because it seems like I can still submit
> after voting, but I don't want to test it for fear of double-voting.

You can't vote with the same IP, but with another one.
Anyway, the poll doesn't present enough options IMO.
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