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January 28, 2010
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> Andrei Alexandrescu, el 28 de enero a las 09:49 me escribiste:
>>> Just see the next message:
>>>
>>> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2010-01/msg00501.html
>>>
>>> 2010-01-26  Ian Lance Taylor  <iant@google.com>
>>>
>>>       * MAINTAINERS: Add myself as Go frontend maintainer.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you think Google is not pushing Go, think again...
>> I'd seen that, but my understanding is that Ian is a maintainer of
>> the frontend, not necessarily that Google is pushing Go or even that
>> Google is paying him to spend time on Go. What am I missing?
> 
> They are paying him to spend time on Go, at least is a "20% project".

Aw come on. I knew when I wrote the message I'll leave place for that 
semantic loophole, but I hoped you wouldn't be taking it so I didn't 
bother to preempt. Anyway... an employee spending time on a 20% project 
is a far cry from "Google is pushing Go". Anyone at Google could choose 
to do anything they please for their 20% projects.

Andrei
January 28, 2010
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 28 de enero a las 12:29 me escribiste:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >Andrei Alexandrescu, el 28 de enero a las 09:49 me escribiste:
> >>>Just see the next message:
> >>>
> >>>http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2010-01/msg00501.html
> >>>
> >>>2010-01-26  Ian Lance Taylor  <iant@google.com>
> >>>
> >>>      * MAINTAINERS: Add myself as Go frontend maintainer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>If you think Google is not pushing Go, think again...
> >>I'd seen that, but my understanding is that Ian is a maintainer of
> >>the frontend, not necessarily that Google is pushing Go or even that
> >>Google is paying him to spend time on Go. What am I missing?
> >
> >They are paying him to spend time on Go, at least is a "20% project".
> 
> Aw come on. I knew when I wrote the message I'll leave place for
> that semantic loophole, but I hoped you wouldn't be taking it so I
> didn't bother to preempt. Anyway... an employee spending time on a
> 20% project is a far cry from "Google is pushing Go". Anyone at
> Google could choose to do anything they please for their 20%
> projects.

Is not just one persona using his 20% project. There are a lot of Google's
employees doing so (and a couple of "high-profile" Google's employees,
like Rob Pike and Ken Thompson). Google's doesn't just give away a day of
work, you have to present a serious project to spent your 20% and they
have to approve it.

I counted 10 people @google and almost 20 more @golang (which, being that
the top developers, like Pike and Thompson are @golang, one could give for
granted that are all Google employees as well) in the CONTRIBUTORS file.
That's about 30 people (without counting other potential Google employees
using another e-mail). I think that is something...

Also, they provide all the infrastructure for the project, all the marking
has Google over the places, etc.

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December 13, 2010
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
How the hell is Go already part of the main GCC distribution? It's only a year old!  If
I've got this right, GDC won't make it in GCC 4.6, which is going to be released next
year. 4.7 will be released in 2012, around April.  That's over a year from now. WTF?
December 13, 2010
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
Must be a very simple language.. and Google probably pulled some
strings, or they have someone that worked/collaborated with GCC devs?
dunno..

On 12/13/10, Bee <iteronvexor@gmail.com> wrote:
> How the hell is Go already part of the main GCC distribution? It's only a
> year old!  If
> I've got this right, GDC won't make it in GCC 4.6, which is going to be
> released next
> year. 4.7 will be released in 2012, around April.  That's over a year from
> now. WTF?
>
January 02, 2011
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
On 13/12/10 2:31 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> Must be a very simple language.. and Google probably pulled some
> strings, or they have someone that worked/collaborated with GCC devs?
> dunno..
>
> On 12/13/10, Bee<iteronvexor@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> How the hell is Go already part of the main GCC distribution? It's only a
>> year old!  If
>> I've got this right, GDC won't make it in GCC 4.6, which is going to be
>> released next
>> year. 4.7 will be released in 2012, around April.  That's over a year from
>> now. WTF?
>>

Is it possibly because Go is more stable than GDC? (I don't know; just 
speculating...)

In any case, I don't think languages are added due to age. Popularity 
and stability are probably the most important factors.
January 02, 2011
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
On 1/2/11 8:10 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
> On 13/12/10 2:31 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>> Must be a very simple language.. and Google probably pulled some
>> strings, or they have someone that worked/collaborated with GCC devs?
>> dunno..
>>
>> On 12/13/10, Bee<iteronvexor@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How the hell is Go already part of the main GCC distribution? It's
>>> only a
>>> year old! If
>>> I've got this right, GDC won't make it in GCC 4.6, which is going to be
>>> released next
>>> year. 4.7 will be released in 2012, around April. That's over a year
>>> from
>>> now. WTF?
>>>
>
> Is it possibly because Go is more stable than GDC? (I don't know; just
> speculating...)
>
> In any case, I don't think languages are added due to age. Popularity
> and stability are probably the most important factors.

The most important factor is having someone on the team pushing for it 
and understanding the process.

Andrei
January 03, 2011
Re: D compiler as part of GCC
On 2/01/11 2:43 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 1/2/11 8:10 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
>> On 13/12/10 2:31 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>>> Must be a very simple language.. and Google probably pulled some
>>> strings, or they have someone that worked/collaborated with GCC devs?
>>> dunno..
>>>
>>> On 12/13/10, Bee<iteronvexor@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How the hell is Go already part of the main GCC distribution? It's
>>>> only a
>>>> year old! If
>>>> I've got this right, GDC won't make it in GCC 4.6, which is going to be
>>>> released next
>>>> year. 4.7 will be released in 2012, around April. That's over a year
>>>> from
>>>> now. WTF?
>>>>
>>
>> Is it possibly because Go is more stable than GDC? (I don't know; just
>> speculating...)
>>
>> In any case, I don't think languages are added due to age. Popularity
>> and stability are probably the most important factors.
>
> The most important factor is having someone on the team pushing for it
> and understanding the process.
>
> Andrei

Ok, maybe that as well :-)
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