>> DIP 1015 is not very important, why discuss it again? All languages have things like this and I like D bool more than verbose Java boolean.
>
> Because the entire community though that the decision and the chain of reasoning was... bad, to put it mildly, and we need a process in place for dealing with such an outcome.

I read on the forum more about it. Me and my three friends do not mean the entire community.

>> No discussion about the DIPS pipeline which is the most important!
>
> I'm pretty sure that was discussed.

There is the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpTAtiboIDs. Where?

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 07:34:02 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 05:27:00 UTC, Johan Coder wrote:
>> - Form of meeting was.....  much to be improved.  Anyone could hold the microphone for any time and say whatever. No filter and honest some people said too little in too much (not sure how to express).  Many words with little content.  The person at https://youtu.be/cpTAtiboIDs?t=4462 loves to hear himself.
>
> Please don't call people out like this. It's rude, offputting, and in any case you are not the moderator.

He spoke in a public meeting with importance to my job. He chose it. Not obligated. Spoke too much and took time from important topics. Yes I am not the moderator but he or she should have tell him to make it short.

> Anyways, I have no idea what you want the organizers to do about it. Make visitors preregister their questions?

A good moderator can interrupt some one who speaks too much repeatedly and does not say insightful things.

Please do not make it my fault that some guy took over the AGM.

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 10:02:16 UTC, Robert Schadek wrote:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 09:11:51 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
>>
>> The vision documents have not been working very well. The vision was good, but they were not a very good indication of where the language is going and what is being worked on and how. One purpose of the AGM is that its records (I believe that Mike will work on those) are hoped to replace the vision documents as a more accurate and useful indication of where D is going, what its vitality is etc. As this was the first AGM in this form, I don't find it surprising that there are things to improve upon. I think it worked out pretty well, and want to thank Nicholas for his initiative. I think having a public AGM helps a lot to reach a more harmonious and unified working community. Otherwise these topics are discussed/complained about in the corridors within their respective bubbles where they don't achieve much. To all those criticising the agenda: it has been out there for comments for a long time, but I dont think Nicholas has received much feedback.
>>
>> Bastiaan.
>
> A couple of started to move the vision document into the issue tracker of this
> https://github.com/dlang/projects github project. We also created a couple of major milestones, individual issues should be associated with.
>
> The idea here is that, we use the same tools we manage programming languages with for the english language.
> If you think about it, what is a vision document. I would say it is a program written in a very ambiguous programming language. So why not use the same tool we all already know?
>
> Next years AGM agenda will then be trivial to prepare.

Very good idea, thank you.

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 12:11:41 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
> I just want to say thanks, I think that the AGM was a success.
> A lot more was done and solved than I was expecting.

I am glad you gained from it. Do you have (or if not maybe there is somewhere) a list with high level problems solved?

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 18:04:07 UTC, Johan Coder wrote:
>>> No discussion about the DIPS pipeline which is the most important!
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that was discussed.
>
> There is the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpTAtiboIDs. Where?

I highly recommend joining DConf next year yourself in person as the best part of DConf are the offline discussions.

Anyhow, the change of the DIP process was partially announced here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpTAtiboIDs&t=3015s

(the upcoming change of leadership will affect the DIP process).

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 18:08:26 UTC, Johan Coder wrote:
>
> He spoke in a public meeting with importance to my job. He chose it. Not obligated. Spoke too much and took time from important topics. Yes I am not the moderator but he or she should have tell him to make it short.
>

Thank you for your insights in this discussion.
It seems one lesson to take from this is that anonimity in these forums should not be an option.

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM Johan Coder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> The person at
> https://youtu.be/cpTAtiboIDs?t=4462 loves to hear himself.

No, come on!! Stefan Koch aka UplinkCoder has difficulty in speaking. That's absolutely fine. I love listening to his talks. He is _to the point_ and doesn't beat around bush in his talks!

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crHnumzsLUs&list=PL3jwVPmk_PRxo23yyoc0Ip_cP3-rCm7eB&index=6 and many more.

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 21:43:36 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
> It seems one lesson to take from this is that anonimity in these forums should not be an option.

It would be interesting to try this for a couple of weeks and see how the overall tone changes.

If we're supposed to be following 'professional conduct' here it doesn't seem too strange to have our actions affect our professional reputations.

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 22:24:53 UTC, James Thompson wrote:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 21:43:36 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
>> It seems one lesson to take from this is that anonimity in these forums should not be an option.
>
> It would be interesting to try this for a couple of weeks and see how the overall tone changes.
>
> If we're supposed to be following 'professional conduct' here it doesn't seem too strange to have our actions affect our professional reputations.

I agree. If not even required I will post as myself if most other people do so.

On Monday, 13 May 2019 at 21:50:48 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote:
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM Johan Coder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>> The person at
>> https://youtu.be/cpTAtiboIDs?t=4462 loves to hear himself.
>
> No, come on!! Stefan Koch aka UplinkCoder has difficulty in speaking. That's absolutely fine. I love listening to his talks. He is _to the point_ and doesn't beat around bush in his talks!
>
> Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crHnumzsLUs&list=PL3jwVPmk_PRxo23yyoc0Ip_cP3-rCm7eB&index=6 and many more.

Thank you, I will watch.  But in the AGM his content was not good (and of course I have nothing against imperfect speech, mine is definitely worse).  Overall point is to keep remarks short and to the point so the meeting is covered entirely.