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April 29, 2010
Re: Clojure Protocols & expression problem
retard wrote:
> :) Sorry, but I actually have to use D.

I'm sorry you'd have to use D if you don't want to, but it is a positive sign 
that D is catching on in the business world.
April 29, 2010
Re: Clojure Protocols & expression problem
Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:21:15 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

> retard wrote:
>> :) Sorry, but I actually have to use D.
> 
> I'm sorry you'd have to use D if you don't want to, but it is a positive
> sign that D is catching on in the business world.

It's positive that you sometimes write a reply. What saddens me is it's 
mostly about *my* personal issues.

I've always given at least two ways to continue the discussion. The posts 
also contain valid technical issues, much more than some of the most 
desperate bikeshedding here. It's sad that instead of improving the 
language and enriching the intellectual capacity of the active members, 
you concentrate on ad-hoc personal attacks and on the most irrelevant 
parts of the posts.

I wonder what is causing all this. Have you started to consider everyone 
with knowledge about programming languages a threat? Wanna hear my 
secret? After 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of daily job, and 3 to 4 hours of 
other chores, I have a small amount of time to read reddit [1], 
wikipedia, blogspot [2], and sometimes the abstracts (and if it makes any 
sense, perhaps part of the discussion) from LtU [3]. Maybe also 2 to 3 
larger PL related books (e.g. [4]) per year. If I still have more spare 
time, I might read the newsgroup here or write some code. That's about it 
- a rather harmless hobby. If that places me to the ivory tower along 
with bearded, funny looking, smelly old men, I should probably take heed 
and spend more time lifting weights or something more useful.

Certainly I'm a bit bitter, but I didn't start the fight afaict. The 
community kind of lost its innocent blissful state long ago after some 
unfortunate events.

[1] for example, part of what I read today http://img88.imageshack.us/
img88/5559/redditposts.png

[2] mostly posts by some bright guys like james iry ( http://james-
iry.blogspot.com/ )

[3] http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/

[4] http://www.pragprog.com/titles/shcloj/programming-clojure
April 29, 2010
Re: Clojure Protocols & expression problem
Walter, you shouldn't be apologizing to retard. These personal attacks 
are just not acceptable on a public forum and coming from an adult.

Instead, I think you should be more like him.

On 04/29/2010 03:25 PM, retard wrote:
> Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:21:15 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm sorry you'd have to use D if you don't want to, but it is a positive
>> sign that D is catching on in the business world.
>
> It's positive that you sometimes write a reply. What saddens me is it's
> mostly about *my* personal issues.
>
> I've always given at least two ways to continue the discussion. The posts
> also contain valid technical issues, much more than some of the most
> desperate bikeshedding here. It's sad that instead of improving the
> language and enriching the intellectual capacity of the active members,
> you concentrate on ad-hoc personal attacks and on the most irrelevant
> parts of the posts.
>
> I wonder what is causing all this. Have you started to consider everyone
> with knowledge about programming languages a threat? Wanna hear my
> secret? After 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of daily job, and 3 to 4 hours of
> other chores, I have a small amount of time to read reddit [1],
> wikipedia, blogspot [2], and sometimes the abstracts (and if it makes any
> sense, perhaps part of the discussion) from LtU [3]. Maybe also 2 to 3
> larger PL related books (e.g. [4]) per year. If I still have more spare
> time, I might read the newsgroup here or write some code. That's about it
> - a rather harmless hobby. If that places me to the ivory tower along
> with bearded, funny looking, smelly old men, I should probably take heed
> and spend more time lifting weights or something more useful.
>
> Certainly I'm a bit bitter, but I didn't start the fight afaict. The
> community kind of lost its innocent blissful state long ago after some
> unfortunate events.
>
> [1] for example, part of what I read today http://img88.imageshack.us/
> img88/5559/redditposts.png
>
> [2] mostly posts by some bright guys like james iry ( http://james-
> iry.blogspot.com/ )
>
> [3] http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/
>
> [4] http://www.pragprog.com/titles/shcloj/programming-clojure
April 29, 2010
Re: Clojure Protocols & expression problem
Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:34:15 -0500, Ellery Newcomer wrote:

> Walter, you shouldn't be apologizing to retard. These personal attacks
> are just not acceptable on a public forum and coming from an adult.
> 
> Instead, I think you should be more like him.

I think this whole thing is seriously getting out of hand. My wish was to 
stop talking about me and concentrate more on D. After all, this 
newsgroup *is* about D. Yet, the first reply is yet another post about 
me. There seems to be no other way than to disappear. I thought the old 
dust would eventually settle, but it apparently never did.

As a side note, if the "be more like him" means more aggressive attitude 
against opinions you don't personally like, the advice is highly damaging 
to the social atmosphere. Even if I disagree with people, I never provoke 
hate. I think a community can tolerate one immature person every now and 
then - it might really be the case that he/she has some personal (mental) 
issues. To ease your pain, I've already deleted a large part of my 
previous posts. Unfortunately I have no access to the archiving system so 
the web interface still shows them.
April 29, 2010
Re: Clojure Protocols & expression problem
retard wrote:
> I wonder what is causing all this. Have you started to consider everyone 
> with knowledge about programming languages a threat?

There are several ideas posted here a day, far more than could ever be 
implemented in D, or even that could be thoroughly and fairly discussed by one 
person. It's just impossible.

What's gold, though, is actual quality code coming along with a proposal.

In other words, you're always welcome to come here and post your ideas, and join 
in the discussions. A little good-natured ribbing is fine, too. If you want to 
put the effort into making a serious proposal, please do so and post it to 
bugzilla as an enhancement request. If you really want to help, posting an 
implementation along with it is even better!
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