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November 04, 2010
BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
Hello,
Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about to abandon development of their IDE.

blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade IDE.
November 04, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
> Hello,
> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about to abandon development of their IDE.
>
> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>
> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade IDE.
>
>

very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements
November 04, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz@gmx.net>  
wrote:

> Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
>> Hello,
>> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are  
>> about to abandon development of their IDE.
>>
>> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>>
>> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a  
>> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a  
>> professional-grade IDE.
>>
>>
>
> very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements
>
>

I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as "a  
financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the main  
one.
No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy  
it?

And he could just get tired of various dmd bugs, that's also  
understandable.
November 04, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
Denis Koroskin schrieb:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz@gmx.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
>>> Hello,
>>> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX 
>>> are about to abandon development of their IDE.
>>>
>>> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>>>
>>> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for 
>>> a programming language to stand against Java or C# without a 
>>> professional-grade IDE.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements
>>
>>
> 
> I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as 
> "a financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the 
> main one.
> No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy 
> it?
> 
Yeah, I'd never pay $150 for an IDE in alpha status that (according to their homepage) doesn't even 
do autocompletion.

(Honestly, I'm not sure I'd pay that much money for any IDE - there are free alternatives and mostly 
a text editor with syntax highlighting is enough. At least for smaller non-professional projects - I 
guess most D projects at the moment are like that.)
November 04, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:58:05 -0400, Stephane C wrote:

> Hello,
> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
> about to abandon development of their IDE.
> 
> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
> 
> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
> professional-grade IDE.

Commercial doesn't mean professional.

After asking such incredible price for product which has several better 
free alternatives, I'm not surprised nobody bought it. What is sad is the 
blame that should be directed at Author's inability in so much time to 
develop a product able to stand out of free alternatives, and with 
appropriate price for it's capabilities.

It seems to me that Author itself is causal amateur programmer who 
stumbled upon D, broken hes knees and now is crying out loud.

Visuald, Posiedon, Descent - to mention only few D specific IDEs I used 
which are better or comparable, and there are more

I'm curious how he want to compete in C++ field. But as he says, it will 
take time, in which I will totally forgot about this.
November 05, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
On 11/04/2010 03:58 AM, Stephane C wrote:
>
> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade IDE.
>
>

or a professional-grade compiler, for that matter
November 06, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
Stephane C wrote:

> Hello,
> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
> about to abandon development of their IDE.
> 
> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
> 
> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
> professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need 
an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good 
enough. 

Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very 
best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some 
respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.
November 06, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
> Stephane C wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
>> about to abandon development of their IDE.
>>
>> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>>
>> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
>> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
>> professional-grade IDE.
>
> Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need
> an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good
> enough.
>
> Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very
> best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some
> respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.

Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting 
for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good 
as JDT.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
November 06, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
Jacob Carlborg wrote:

> On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
>> Stephane C wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
>>> about to abandon development of their IDE.
>>>
>>> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>>>
>>> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
>>> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
>>> professional-grade IDE.
>>
>> Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you
>> need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is
>> not good enough.
>>
>> Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very
>> best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in
>> some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.
> 
> Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting
> for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good
> as JDT.
> 

Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors 
too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for 
D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also 
looking forward to try DDT.
November 07, 2010
Re: BITPROX's commercial IDE stopped !
On 2010-11-06 15:15, Lutger wrote:
> Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>
>> On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
>>> Stephane C wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
>>>> about to abandon development of their IDE.
>>>>
>>>> blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
>>>>
>>>> Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
>>>> programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
>>>> professional-grade IDE.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you
>>> need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is
>>> not good enough.
>>>
>>> Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very
>>> best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in
>>> some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.
>>
>> Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting
>> for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good
>> as JDT.
>>
>
> Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors
> too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for
> D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also
> looking forward to try DDT.

It had/has a lot of bugs, crashing several times every day but it 
had/has more features than, for example, CDT and in the end I thought it 
was (still is) worth it because of all the features it has (most of the 
times).

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
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