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March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On 16/03/11 06.34, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> http://digitalmars.com/d/2.0/changelog.html

Yes.. these are invaluable.

> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel

Is the info about priorities coming directly from the sources themselves 
(Walter, Andrei...) so that they can be trusted. Or are they just wishes 
for priorities?

/Jonas
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
Jonas Drewsen Wrote:

> On 16/03/11 06.34, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> > http://digitalmars.com/d/2.0/changelog.html
> 
> Yes.. these are invaluable.
> 
> > http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel
> 
> Is the info about priorities coming directly from the sources themselves 
> (Walter, Andrei...) so that they can be trusted. Or are they just wishes 
> for priorities?
> 
> /Jonas

What information on Properties? The DIP? DIPs are just proposals so they may not describe what will actually be implemented.

For the most part the page is confirmed items.
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:23:52 -0400, Jesse Phillips  
<jessekphillips+D@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jonas Drewsen Wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/11 06.34, Jesse Phillips wrote:
>> > http://digitalmars.com/d/2.0/changelog.html
>>
>> Yes.. these are invaluable.
>>
>> > http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel
>>
>> Is the info about priorities coming directly from the sources themselves
>> (Walter, Andrei...) so that they can be trusted. Or are they just wishes
>> for priorities?
>>
>> /Jonas
>
> What information on Properties? The DIP? DIPs are just proposals so they  
> may not describe what will actually be implemented.

Priorities, not properties.

-Steve
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:13:33 -0000, jasonw <user@webmails.org> wrote:

> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data (  
> http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>
> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if  
> you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries  
> and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types of  
> users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as  
> http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is  
> somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For example  
> standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are a first  
> class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of mediocre  
> crap.

I was browsing dsource the other day and I wanted to be able to sort  
projects by last update date or something, to find the ones which were  
being currently maintained.  It would certainly be useful to sort by a  
category like [alpha] [beta] [stable] etc as well.  I think dsource is the  
correct place to put any/all of our 'crap' but it just needs to be easier  
to sort and find the things you're interested in, at any one time.  i.e.  
what if you were looking for a project to lend a hand to, no use finding  
one which is pretty much [stable] and complete.

R
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
> There's
> still no good tutorials and I think the reason for that is because of
> the poor documentation. No one knows how the language is supposed to
> work, so they can't write tutorials!


I think you may have said this in a mean-spirited way, but there is a lot of truth
to this.  The best documentation right now is Andrei's book but I think its main
problem is that it's D-language specific, in that it covers the fundamentals of
the language but not too much into the quick-changing standard library.  As a
result, it doesn't curb the overhead cost of learning D because you're either: 1)
building tools that already exist -- but don't know existed, or 2) digging through
documentation trying to find what you need.


I wouldn't mind getting a small team of volunteers together to work solely on
centralized, well-organized documentation.
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
"Regan Heath" <regan@netmail.co.nz> wrote in message 
news:op.vsfy88k954xghj@puck.auriga.bhead.co.uk...
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:13:33 -0000, jasonw <user@webmails.org> wrote:
>
>> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data ( 
>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>>
>> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if 
>> you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries 
>> and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types of 
>> users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as 
>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is 
>> somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For example 
>> standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are a first 
>> class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of mediocre 
>> crap.
>
> I was browsing dsource the other day and I wanted to be able to sort 
> projects by last update date or something, to find the ones which were 
> being currently maintained.  It would certainly be useful to sort by a 
> category like [alpha] [beta] [stable] etc as well.  I think dsource is the 
> correct place to put any/all of our 'crap' but it just needs to be easier 
> to sort and find the things you're interested in, at any one time.  i.e. 
> what if you were looking for a project to lend a hand to, no use finding 
> one which is pretty much [stable] and complete.
>
> R

The front page of dsource should have 5-10 useful, complete and tested 
projects highlighted. All the dross and projects never completed (or the 
'wishful thinking' projects that were never even started) should be 
relegated deep.

The front page should be there to introduce, and intice, the prospective D 
user to some useful libraries...

-=mike=-
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
Nicholas wrote:
> I wouldn't mind getting a small team of volunteers together to work
> solely on centralized, well-organized documentation.

This is the reason I set up http://dpldocs.info last year, but
I have a lot of other things to do too, so it's still far from what
I ideally want it to become.
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On 3/16/11, Nicholas <maybe@later.com> wrote:
> If it's any consolation, I can provide a shameless plug from a fellow
> pragmatist:
> http://www.xmind.net/share/nicholasr/d/

Is clicking on those plus signs supposed to work? It doesn't seem to
do anything, I'm using Firefox 3.6.15.
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:27:03 -0400, Mike James <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> "Regan Heath" <regan@netmail.co.nz> wrote in message  
> news:op.vsfy88k954xghj@puck.auriga.bhead.co.uk...
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:13:33 -0000, jasonw <user@webmails.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data (  
>>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>>>
>>> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if  
>>> you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries  
>>> and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types  
>>> of users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as  
>>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is  
>>> somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For  
>>> example standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are  
>>> a first class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of  
>>> mediocre crap.
>>
>> I was browsing dsource the other day and I wanted to be able to sort  
>> projects by last update date or something, to find the ones which were  
>> being currently maintained.  It would certainly be useful to sort by a  
>> category like [alpha] [beta] [stable] etc as well.  I think dsource is  
>> the correct place to put any/all of our 'crap' but it just needs to be  
>> easier to sort and find the things you're interested in, at any one  
>> time.  i.e. what if you were looking for a project to lend a hand to,  
>> no use finding one which is pretty much [stable] and complete.
>>
>> R
>
> The front page of dsource should have 5-10 useful, complete and tested  
> projects highlighted. All the dross and projects never completed (or the  
> 'wishful thinking' projects that were never even started) should be  
> relegated deep.
>
> The front page should be there to introduce, and intice, the prospective  
> D user to some useful libraries...
>

I think it would be good enough to make projects that have not had a  
change in the last year get dropped to an "older projects" page.

Anyone who has a still-maintained but seldom-changing project could just  
make a change in the home page once a year or something to prevent this  
from happening.

For my project dcollections, there have been long periods with no change  
because I haven't been using it, and nobody is reporting bugs.  But that  
doesn't mean it's not a robust project ready for use.  I wouldn't mind  
just having to ping it every once in a while to make sure it stays "fresh".

-Steve
March 16, 2011
Re: Status report, milestones, quality improvements?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:41:29 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic  
<andrej.mitrovich@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/16/11, Nicholas <maybe@later.com> wrote:
>> If it's any consolation, I can provide a shameless plug from a fellow
>> pragmatist:
>> http://www.xmind.net/share/nicholasr/d/
>
> Is clicking on those plus signs supposed to work? It doesn't seem to
> do anything, I'm using Firefox 3.6.15.

Same thing with opera...

-Steve
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