March 16, 2011
== Quote from Adam D. Ruppe (destructionator@gmail.com)'s article
> Nicholas wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind getting a small team of volunteers together to work solely on centralized, well-organized documentation.
> This is the reason I set up http://dpldocs.info last year, but
> I have a lot of other things to do too, so it's still far from what
> I ideally want it to become.

Hey Adam, I remembered that you sent me some links a while back.  Maybe we should talk about pulling our resources.  Is that your real e-mail address?
March 16, 2011
== Quote from Andrej Mitrovic (andrej.mitrovich@gmail.com)'s article
> On 3/16/11, Nicholas <maybe@later.com> wrote:
> > If it's any consolation, I can provide a shameless plug from a fellow
> > pragmatist:
> > http://www.xmind.net/share/nicholasr/d/
> Is clicking on those plus signs supposed to work? It doesn't seem to do anything, I'm using Firefox 3.6.15.

They do, just not in an online format yet.  I'm working on that.  For the time being you have to use XMind, which is a hassle for a lot of people.  You can click the download link to get the file.
March 16, 2011
Nicholas:
> Is that your real e-mail address?

Yeah, it should work.

(it forwards to my real address but sometimes gmail's spam filter gets false positives. Works 99% of the time though!)
March 16, 2011
"foobar" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message news:ilpt40$17b7$1@digitalmars.com...
> Nick Sabalausky Wrote:
>
>> "Caligo" <iteronvexor@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.2533.1300256058.4748.digitalmars-d@puremagic.com...
>> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Nick Sabalausky <a@a.a> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "jasonw" <user@webmails.org> wrote in message news:ilp2rt$1fs5$1@digitalmars.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Newsgroup threads often discuss useless things (CRT displays and
>> >> > whether
>> >> > black-on-white is better than white-on-black in a feature proposal
>> >> > threads). Nick Sabalausky and Walter Bright are worst trolls in this
>> >> > regard, hijacking every thread to spread off-topic talk.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Hooray! The discussion nazis have arrived! Time to celebrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBh1WMG8Vk Doo dee doot
>> >>
>> >> I've seen stupid shit in the internet, but people crying over what
>> >> gets
>> >> discussed is by far the stupidest.
>> >>
>> >> Browncoats forever! Gorram reevers! Tribute? You steal men's souls and
>> >> make
>> >> them your slaves! I ate what? It's a laser, but in solid, not gaseous
>> >> form.
>> >> Hummana hummana hummana. Klaatu barada nikto. Yes, I was dead, but I'm
>> >> better now. Nibbled to death by cats. Colorful * happy * material *
>> >> go!
>> >> Shinigami love apples. I will take a potato chip...AND EAT IT! Your
>> >> moosey
>> >> fate! Just don't go wrecking your automail! Autowash? Big boom, big
>> >> baaadaaa
>> >> boom! You better tell me who you are? You must have bananas in your
>> >> ears!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think jasonw forgot to mention that you are also the biggest dickhead here.
>> >
>>
>> That's certainly true. After all, considering how I frequently call
>> people
>> in here names like "dickhead", that quite likely does makes me the
>> rudest,
>> most immature person here. You'd certainly never do such a childish
>> thing,
>> would you?
>>
>>
>>
>
> While I disagree with the direct attacks and poor phrasing, there is a
> point in what the OP says.
> People have the freedom to talk about whatever floats their boat but I do
> hope that as a courtesy to others they would at least use a descriptive
> subject line.
>

You know, even I can admit that's a fair point. It has been brought up before, and since then I've been trying to rename subject lines when appropriate. It's an easy thing to forget, though. And it doesn't generate any compiler messages!



March 16, 2011
"Jonas Drewsen" <jdrewsen@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ilpues$1diq$2@digitalmars.com...
> On 16/03/11 06.34, Jesse Phillips wrote:
>> http://digitalmars.com/d/2.0/changelog.html
>
> Yes.. these are invaluable.
>
>> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel
>
> Is the info about priorities coming directly from the sources themselves (Walter, Andrei...) so that they can be trusted. Or are they just wishes for priorities?
>

I think other people might have put them onto the Wiki (though I'm not certain). However, they definitely *are* taken directly from what Walter, Andrei, etc have said, in unambiguous terms, here on the NG.


March 16, 2011
"Jonas Drewsen" <jdrewsen@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ilpu9l$1diq$1@digitalmars.com...
> On 16/03/11 02.13, jasonw wrote:
>> A lot of work is going on around D. However I can't really fit the pieces together to see how everything works.
>>
>> Bad quality
>> --------------
>>
>> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data ( http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>>
>> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types of users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For example standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are a first class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of mediocre crap.
>
> Actually I once contacted the admin of dsource because I had the same concerns as you have. He gave me svn access to the code of the dsource site pretty quickly for me to fix stuff (or the a new version of it he was working on).
>
> Unfortunately I never got around to submitting anything back. But I'm sure that he will be just as welcoming to you I you offer your help :)
>

I don't mean to badmouth him, and this definitely isn't intended as anything against him. But I've helped him out getting the new version of dsource ready, and as far as I can tell, there really isn't much left to do, but he just hasn't had the time to finally get it up. And that was months ago. A while back I offered to help out with whatever is left, and he was receptive to it, but then I didn't hear back from him again. Of course, that may very well have just been a lost email, or a miscommunication, or something. Maybe I'll email him again.



March 16, 2011
On 16/03/11 16.13, Regan Heath wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:13:33 -0000, jasonw <user@webmails.org> wrote:
>
>> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data (
>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>>
>> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if
>> you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries
>> and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types
>> of users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as
>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is
>> somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For
>> example standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are
>> a first class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of
>> mediocre crap.
>
> I was browsing dsource the other day and I wanted to be able to sort
> projects by last update date or something, to find the ones which were
> being currently maintained. It would certainly be useful to sort by a
> category like [alpha] [beta] [stable] etc as well. I think dsource is
> the correct place to put any/all of our 'crap' but it just needs to be
> easier to sort and find the things you're interested in, at any one
> time. i.e. what if you were looking for a project to lend a hand to, no
> use finding one which is pretty much [stable] and complete.
>
> R

An improvement that would really help a lot and probably be quite simple to do is to let the dsource server serve the project listing as a cached page. Currently it takes forever to load the project listing which only changes once per month or so.

/Jonas

March 16, 2011
IMO the idea of having something like dsource as the place for D projects is silly and is doomed to failure.  I think dsource's current state says it all.  The internet should be the place for D projects, not just one website.  Besides, there are sites that have been designed to do what dsource is trying to do.  If you want to share your D projects with rest of the world, use sites such as freshmeat, ohloh, github, gitorious, bitbucket, savannah, etc.  If the project is big enough, it could have it's own dedicated site.  Then maybe the main D site could link to some of the big projects on the internet.


March 16, 2011
"Jonas Drewsen" <jdrewsen@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ilrc16$19rg$1@digitalmars.com...
> On 16/03/11 16.13, Regan Heath wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:13:33 -0000, jasonw <user@webmails.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One problem is the large amount of obsolete data (
>>> http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmdfe )
>>>
>>> Dsource is The place for D projects. The problem with dsource is if you're a serious professional and need professional quality libraries and tools, dsource does nothing in the way of supporting these types of users. The sections are filled with small hobby projects such as http://www.dsource.org/projects/libcalc. What I'm looking for is somehing that emphasizes the names of "important" projects. For example standard parallel/concurrency/server/socket/vfs libraries are a first class priority. It takes a day to browse through the list of mediocre crap.
>>
>> I was browsing dsource the other day and I wanted to be able to sort projects by last update date or something, to find the ones which were being currently maintained. It would certainly be useful to sort by a category like [alpha] [beta] [stable] etc as well. I think dsource is the correct place to put any/all of our 'crap' but it just needs to be easier to sort and find the things you're interested in, at any one time. i.e. what if you were looking for a project to lend a hand to, no use finding one which is pretty much [stable] and complete.
>>
>> R
>
> An improvement that would really help a lot and probably be quite simple to do is to let the dsource server serve the project listing as a cached page. Currently it takes forever to load the project listing which only changes once per month or so.
>

It would be far faster even if it just generated the page on the server for every request. Currently, the page has JS that requests an XML DB of all the projects from the server, then the JS parses the XML and generates the list. A real mess. It's like posting a screenshot by taking a picutre with a camera phone, emailing it to youself, printing it, and then scanning it. The new upcoming version of the site doesn't do any of that mess, and works *much* faster (even on known-to-be-slow FF2), but who knows when it'll finally get up...




March 16, 2011
"Caligo" <iteronvexor@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.2542.1300312871.4748.digitalmars-d@puremagic.com...
> IMO the idea of having something like dsource as the place for D projects
> is
> silly and is doomed to failure.  I think dsource's current state says it
> all.  The internet should be the place for D projects, not just one
> website.  Besides, there are sites that have been designed to do what
> dsource is trying to do.  If you want to share your D projects with rest
> of
> the world, use sites such as freshmeat, ohloh, github, gitorious,
> bitbucket,
> savannah, etc.  If the project is big enough, it could have it's own
> dedicated site.  Then maybe the main D site could link to some of the big
> projects on the internet.
>

Not a bad point, but there's four main things I like about dsource:

- Want to find D-related projects? It's a one-stop-shop.

- It allows people to file bug reports, feature requests, forum posts, etc using a throwaway email address like mailinator. I like that not only as a project user, but also as a project manager: I *don't* want to deny myself feedback for such a stupid, petty reason as "The user wants to protect their email address - so fuck them!".

- Aside from the project listing page (which, yes, is notably bad in it's current state), it never requires JS for things that obviously don't actually need JS. Again, I like this both as a site user *and* as a project manager.

- It's fairly VCS-agnostic unline many (though admittedly not all) of the popular OSS project hosting sites.


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