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February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir@thecybershadow.net> wrote in message 
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> On Wednesday, 15 February 2012 at 02:11:45 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> One issue I noticed though is that newlines don't seem to work:
>>
>> http://www.semitwist.com/download/img/shots/dforum.png
>
> I've added a fallback CSS property for browsers that don't support CSS 3. 
> Does it look better now?

Perfect on FireFox. Still has the same problem in IE7 (haven't tried it in 
other IEs), but I can understand if you don't want to support IE7 (not like 
I normally use IE).
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:05 -0500, Walter Bright 
> <newshound2@digitalmars.com> wrote:
>
>> http://forum.dlang.org/
>>
>> This should replace the old miserable web interface to the forums.
>>
>> Thanks to Vladimir Panteleev for an awesome job writing this!
>
> The "Forums" link on the left points at 
> http://digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html for many pages (including dlang.org 
> home page).  Please make this point at the new forum page.
>

That really should stay there, with a prominent link to the forum added to 
that page. This is just for people who's rather not use a web interface. We 
don't want to make it *harder* to discover the proper NNTP version.
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
"Nick Sabalausky" <a@a.a> wrote in message 
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>
> ...This is just for people who'd rather use a web interface...
>

Fixed.
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:09:17 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a@a.a> wrote:

> "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:op.v9p5j6jaeav7ka@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:05 -0500, Walter Bright
>> <newshound2@digitalmars.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://forum.dlang.org/
>>>
>>> This should replace the old miserable web interface to the forums.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Vladimir Panteleev for an awesome job writing this!
>>
>> The "Forums" link on the left points at
>> http://digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html for many pages (including  
>> dlang.org
>> home page).  Please make this point at the new forum page.
>>
>
> That really should stay there, with a prominent link to the forum added  
> to
> that page. This is just for people who's rather use a web interface. We
> don't want to make it *harder* to discover the proper NNTP version.


No, I didn't mean that.  But NNTP is not a forum.  Note that on other  
pages (notably forum.dlang.org), the "Forums" link goes to forum.dlang.org

I think the right solution is to create a new page for dlang.org that  
contains information about NNTP joins, add a link to that under the  
"Community" section labeled "News Groups", and make the "Forums" link go  
to forum.dlang.org

-Steve
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> No, I didn't mean that.  But NNTP is not a forum.  Note that on other 
> pages (notably forum.dlang.org), the "Forums" link goes to forum.dlang.org
>
> I think the right solution is to create a new page for dlang.org that 
> contains information about NNTP joins, add a link to that under the 
> "Community" section labeled "News Groups", and make the "Forums" link go 
> to forum.dlang.org
>

I see. That makes sence.
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On Wednesday, 15 February 2012 at 15:19:59 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:
>> I'm wary of magical characters because they may end up in text 
>> copied by the user. For example, what if someone posts a code 
>> sample that contains a long string of alphanumerics?
>
> It depends on where you paste it. Copying a string containing a 
> zero-width space and pasting it in TextMate results in a 
> visible space. If I instead paste it in TextEdit there's no 
> visible space. I tried a few other applications as well and 
> there was no visible space in those.

Yes, but will the code from our hypothetical example still 
compile and work as it should?
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On Wednesday, 15 February 2012 at 15:59:48 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:
> First of all, shrinking the window *should* re-flow the text, 
> not cause it to be too small to read. A shorter line length is 
> *much* better than tiny text.

The problem is that a lot of mail and news software prewrap 
messages to a certain width. While some standards have appeared 
that provide reflow information with backwards-compatibility 
(format=flowed), it doesn't help us much since we can't scale 
down some messages and rewrap others.
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On 2012-02-15 16:57, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Ludovic Silvestre"<ludovic.silvestre@gmail.com>  wrote in message
> news:yuepxdfcgjebpkkhjnny@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...
>>
>
> I was wondering why the text seemed to be a completely different size on
> different browsers!
>
>> First of all, I recommend to use % for the body's font-size (which you are
>> already using) and the rest should be set with em. That way, the body
>> font-size will be equal to the browser default font size, and the rest of
>> the page will be based on that size.
>>
>
> Yes. This.
>
>> Another suggestion is using something like this:
>> http://flexknowlogy.learningfield.org/2008/06/26/setting-font-size-proportional-to-window-size/
>>
>> Here is an example of the js code:
>> function updateFontSize(){
>>    msg = document.body.clientWidth;
>>
>>    var font_math = Math.round( 0.012 * msg * 10 );
>>    font_math = font_math<  100 ? 100 : font_math;
>>
>>    $( "body" ).css({
>>        "font-size" : font_math + "%"
>>    });
>> }
>>
>> Use that function on page load and page refresh:
>> $( window ).resize( ... )
>> $( document ).ready( ... )
>>
>
> That's not good (and I don't mean because of the JS - it's always possible
> to have non-JS fallback). This is a classic case of narrowly optimizing for
> one specific metric (ie, getting a consistent words-per-line) instead of
> always keeping an eye on the big picture. The problem this creates is that
> font sizes become too uncontrolled:
>
> First of all, shrinking the window *should* re-flow the text, not cause it
> to be too small to read. A shorter line length is *much* better than tiny
> text.

This site is a great example of a design that reflows when resizing the 
window: http://upperdog.se/ . It works great on both desktop browsers 
and mobile devices.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On 2012-02-15 18:16, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 February 2012 at 15:19:59 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> I'm wary of magical characters because they may end up in text copied
>>> by the user. For example, what if someone posts a code sample that
>>> contains a long string of alphanumerics?
>>
>> It depends on where you paste it. Copying a string containing a
>> zero-width space and pasting it in TextMate results in a visible
>> space. If I instead paste it in TextEdit there's no visible space. I
>> tried a few other applications as well and there was no visible space
>> in those.
>
> Yes, but will the code from our hypothetical example still compile and
> work as it should?

I have no idea and it might depend on the text editor you're pasting the 
code in.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
February 15, 2012
Re: D forums now live!
On 2012-02-14 23:00, Walter Bright wrote:
> http://forum.dlang.org/
>
> This should replace the old miserable web interface to the forums.
>
> Thanks to Vladimir Panteleev for an awesome job writing this!

I got another idea. When shrinking the window you're removing the menu 
to the left. It might also be good to remove the gravatar images, at 
some size, to get some more for the text.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
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